Viper 5900 / Clifford Matrix 50.5X
#32
01-20-2008, 06:56 PM
Originally Posted by KPierson
If he really thinks it's the piezo that is causing the glass break sensor to make the alarm chirp I would remove the piezo. In reality, what is it going to do for you anyway?
I would remove it and add a battery back up siren.
I've been in cars with the peizos and they arn't that bad - if you are a thieve focused on disabling a car the peizos arn't going to stop you. If anything, they will cause some hearing loss at which point you will sued for injuring the bad guy!
From a security standpoint the back up battery siren is a much better option. You figure if someone is going to break in to a car that they know has an aftermarket alarm the first thing they are going to is pop the hood and cut the battery cable, rending your piezos useless. The backup battery siren will, at least, continue to make noise possibly scaring off the thieve or drawing attention to the car.
I would remove it and add a battery back up siren.
I've been in cars with the peizos and they arn't that bad - if you are a thieve focused on disabling a car the peizos arn't going to stop you. If anything, they will cause some hearing loss at which point you will sued for injuring the bad guy!
From a security standpoint the back up battery siren is a much better option. You figure if someone is going to break in to a car that they know has an aftermarket alarm the first thing they are going to is pop the hood and cut the battery cable, rending your piezos useless. The backup battery siren will, at least, continue to make noise possibly scaring off the thieve or drawing attention to the car.
KP- thanks for the info on the 530t! didnt know that!
I agree 100% on the 515r!!!
When i gave that quote, it was generic on everything, i didnt pull up a directechs on the car at all, i pretty much thought of every charge my old shop charged for and the worst case scenario pricing.
also you dont need to get a 556uw (lose a key module) i think the new one is a kxd07 or something ( i dont work there anymore and im not 100% sure of the model number)
I also dont think the tech knows what he is talking about on "hooking a piezo up to the horn honk" i think he is either lying or doesnt want to work on your car anymore and wants you to leave. Thats my opinion.
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01-20-2008, 07:19 PM
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KP: i agree about the 515r, but none of the stores had it locally 
so i just got the battery backup + piezo instead. so if they cut the battery i still have battery backup...
poorg35: do you know where the piezo is *supposed* to connect to? my guess would be the main siren, and thats only if the piezo doesnt have its own dedicated wire. and if the piezo chirping sets off the glass break sensor, then maybe the glass break sensor can come on with a 5s delay or something, shrug.
so i just got the battery backup + piezo instead. so if they cut the battery i still have battery backup...poorg35: do you know where the piezo is *supposed* to connect to? my guess would be the main siren, and thats only if the piezo doesnt have its own dedicated wire. and if the piezo chirping sets off the glass break sensor, then maybe the glass break sensor can come on with a 5s delay or something, shrug.
#34
01-21-2008, 04:56 PM
OK! well i had an alarm system installed just over the weekend. I asked the guy if it was the clifford and he was like yea. I just dropped off my car since it was a referal from a friend (they do deals together) and came back to see it wasn't in fact a clifford but a crime stopper cs-2016dp II... a bit upset but hey, my fault for not checking~ anyways, ne one have some experience with this alarm? I couldn't really find too much reviews on it, and the ones I found were mixed reviews... my only problem yet (i've only had it for 2 days now) is that the buttons on the lcd remote gets pushed waaaay too easily so i can't keep it in my pockets (the remote start button was pushed and my car was on for like 3 min's). Can't find any cases for it so i may have to make a custom one at home.... any reviews or anything you've heard?
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01-21-2008, 05:17 PM
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you asked for a clifford and instead got a crimestopper? man that sucks!
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread/1928234
according to this post,
BRANDS TO AVOID
CodeAlarm
Pyle
Bulldog
Karr
Crimestopper
Anything imported
Anything with poorly translated instructions
I recommend reading in particular the following threads.
Car Security How To
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread/1794938
"Which Alarm shoud I buy" thread
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread/1928234
and specially, the website "Cause for Alarm", in particular the "Stealth Install" page
http://causeforalarm.thecarthing.com...arm/index.html
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread/1928234
according to this post,
BRANDS TO AVOID
CodeAlarm
Pyle
Bulldog
Karr
Crimestopper
Anything imported
Anything with poorly translated instructions
I recommend reading in particular the following threads.
Car Security How To
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread/1794938
"Which Alarm shoud I buy" thread
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread/1928234
and specially, the website "Cause for Alarm", in particular the "Stealth Install" page
http://causeforalarm.thecarthing.com...arm/index.html
#36
01-21-2008, 05:27 PM
yea... i'm going to take it back on the weekend to complain. I'm having problems with the doors not wanting to unlock after i disable the alarm... I'ma have them change it to a viper system instead... I feel like I got ripped off pretty bad right now after reading that thread~ 
if not, maybe a refund or small claims i guess....
if not, maybe a refund or small claims i guess....
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01-21-2008, 06:26 PM
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01-21-2008, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by PoorG35
piezo has its own wire that you tie into the siren and ground wire.
if you used any part of the horn wires you would know. ie, honk horn piezo would also chirp.
i dont like your installer.
if you used any part of the horn wires you would know. ie, honk horn piezo would also chirp.
i dont like your installer.
what a stupid sensor, its own siren sets it off as glass breaking. im getting rid of hte glass break sensor, hooking the piezo to the siren, hooking the horn to the horn input to the brain, and getting the 509u ultrasonic sensor.
#40
01-21-2008, 10:38 PM
Why don't you put the glass sensor on a 5 second time delay? That should fix any issues. I still have a hard time believe that the piezo siren would interfere with the glass break sensor, but I've never installed the pair in a car (I only installed the piezo in one car and I won't put them in another).
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01-21-2008, 10:44 PM
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that only solves half the problem. the other half is that the shock sensor warn away chirps set off the glass sensor to full trigger the alarm...
im not 100% sure that its just the piezo causing it. if i took the piezo out, there's no guarantee that the problem won't continue, the main siren could be causing it as well.
basically at this point i want to get rid of the glass break sensor and get the ultrasonic sensor. the problem is the shop is going to screw me for double labor so i will have to fight fight fight
im not 100% sure that its just the piezo causing it. if i took the piezo out, there's no guarantee that the problem won't continue, the main siren could be causing it as well.
basically at this point i want to get rid of the glass break sensor and get the ultrasonic sensor. the problem is the shop is going to screw me for double labor so i will have to fight fight fight
#42
01-21-2008, 11:24 PM
ok! well i took the crime stopper back to the shop and made a complaint. thanks to fusQer's very useful reply, i told them that it was on the list of alarms NOT TO GET! they apologized for the "misunderstanding" and will re-install the clifford on sat. 3 trips to the shop, 9 hours total, and about $50 in gas since the shops about 40 miles from my house... well it was my friends referral so he said he'll get me a discount~ 
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01-22-2008, 01:34 AM
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so my shop mounted the brain above the kickpanel. let me know where your shop mounts it. at first i was like omg wtf is it not under the steering column for, and then i removed that piece and its held on by one screw and 4 snap ons. so maybe its best inside hidden above the kick panel. took me awhile to find it, but once i did find it it was easy to unplug harness cables. there should be a tie thingy around it.
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01-22-2008, 12:11 PM
ya, i think thats where they had the crime stopper installed on, so i'm sure they'll install the clifford there as well. as goes for accessories, maybe later... this alarm itself is costing me enough and i'm pretty financially down 'cuz my car was broken into and my windshield cracked from a rock on the freeway.... haha yea, not the best of luck... all together i think it was a little over $800 to fix everything plus the alarm... so no modding and no accessories for a while 