Component Speakers-Rear/Front-$800 budget
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Component Speakers-Rear/Front-$800 budget
I wanted suggestions on what component speakers I should get for an $800 budget or $400 per set. Also, will higher end speakers give me good mid-bass. Other systems i've had created no mid-bass. I am going to get Eclipse AVN-5435, component speakers for front and rear, and an amp. Looking to spend $3,000 to $3,500. What else do I need that is necessary (ie capacitor, equilizer).
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02-01-2006, 08:39 PM
Higher end speakers will give you great midbass, IF PROPERLY INSTALLED. Best results are obtained by making the front of the spacer stack seal with foam tape against the back of the door panel. ALso, dampen the door a lot.
Great-sounding HU, BTW.
Do you have a sedan or a coupe?
In the range you describe, I suspect that the DLS UP6 and the CDT set (I forget which one) are what you'll hear about here. The higher-end DLS tweeters won't fit in the sedan and probably won't fit in the coupe either. The UP6 sound great.
The only speakers I know better than the UP6 with a tweeter that I think will fit into the G's location are the Morel Integra or Elate, and those are like twice as much or more (the Elate 6 is $1200 retail, I think the Integra set is like $800).
Do you NEED the rear speakers to be the same as the front? Can't you just go with nice coaxes? (Or no rears at all, and just get better fronts?) Morel makes a point source coax that is like $400 retail, and DLS makes a regular coax that is like $160 retail
Are you installing this yourself?
The capacitor is a function of what amp(s) you get. Ideally you won't need an EQ (a basic EQ is in the 5435).
Great-sounding HU, BTW.
Do you have a sedan or a coupe?
In the range you describe, I suspect that the DLS UP6 and the CDT set (I forget which one) are what you'll hear about here. The higher-end DLS tweeters won't fit in the sedan and probably won't fit in the coupe either. The UP6 sound great.
The only speakers I know better than the UP6 with a tweeter that I think will fit into the G's location are the Morel Integra or Elate, and those are like twice as much or more (the Elate 6 is $1200 retail, I think the Integra set is like $800).
Do you NEED the rear speakers to be the same as the front? Can't you just go with nice coaxes? (Or no rears at all, and just get better fronts?) Morel makes a point source coax that is like $400 retail, and DLS makes a regular coax that is like $160 retail
Are you installing this yourself?
The capacitor is a function of what amp(s) you get. Ideally you won't need an EQ (a basic EQ is in the 5435).
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02-01-2006, 10:44 PM
Hey, el-dude...what do you think of these: BOSTON ACOUSTICS Z6 6.5" COMPONENT SPEAKERS
I like the Pol MOMO MMC6500's I have up front, but I am thinking of upgrading to the BA's. I have BA's in my 300ZXTT, and I really liked them. Different model, of course, since this was about 6 years ago.
Dave
I like the Pol MOMO MMC6500's I have up front, but I am thinking of upgrading to the BA's. I have BA's in my 300ZXTT, and I really liked them. Different model, of course, since this was about 6 years ago.
Dave
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Originally Posted by el_duderino
Higher end speakers will give you great midbass, IF PROPERLY INSTALLED. Best results are obtained by making the front of the spacer stack seal with foam tape against the back of the door panel. ALso, dampen the door a lot.
Great-sounding HU, BTW.
Do you have a sedan or a coupe?
In the range you describe, I suspect that the DLS UP6 and the CDT set (I forget which one) are what you'll hear about here. The higher-end DLS tweeters won't fit in the sedan and probably won't fit in the coupe either. The UP6 sound great.
The only speakers I know better than the UP6 with a tweeter that I think will fit into the G's location are the Morel Integra or Elate, and those are like twice as much or more (the Elate 6 is $1200 retail, I think the Integra set is like $800).
Do you NEED the rear speakers to be the same as the front? Can't you just go with nice coaxes? (Or no rears at all, and just get better fronts?) Morel makes a point source coax that is like $400 retail, and DLS makes a regular coax that is like $160 retail
Are you installing this yourself?
The capacitor is a function of what amp(s) you get. Ideally you won't need an EQ (a basic EQ is in the 5435).
Great-sounding HU, BTW.
Do you have a sedan or a coupe?
In the range you describe, I suspect that the DLS UP6 and the CDT set (I forget which one) are what you'll hear about here. The higher-end DLS tweeters won't fit in the sedan and probably won't fit in the coupe either. The UP6 sound great.
The only speakers I know better than the UP6 with a tweeter that I think will fit into the G's location are the Morel Integra or Elate, and those are like twice as much or more (the Elate 6 is $1200 retail, I think the Integra set is like $800).
Do you NEED the rear speakers to be the same as the front? Can't you just go with nice coaxes? (Or no rears at all, and just get better fronts?) Morel makes a point source coax that is like $400 retail, and DLS makes a regular coax that is like $160 retail
Are you installing this yourself?
The capacitor is a function of what amp(s) you get. Ideally you won't need an EQ (a basic EQ is in the 5435).
In regards to getting components all around, I found out that, to me, it makes a big difference in sound projection. I feel as though I get more of a surround sound feel if i have the rear speakers. Not too sure if i need the tweets in the back but i figured might as well. Also, i am not installing myself. Dont know how to install head unit and dont know how to rewire the speaker wires. Basically dont know anything. I'm thinking about bass but maybe later. I think i will be content with my components (if it provides enough bass). But im thinkin about 4080 box and jlw3 or jlw6 (leaning towards jlw3 cause i want tighter bass than boomy bass, or at least i think w3 provides tighter bass). What amp would be sufficient to power the w3?
I thought a capacitor provides that extra power so your lights won't start dimming?
What about the dls ms6 components then i can get the dls ca41 amp?
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Originally Posted by netwireless
I am installing CDT ef-61cfi/24 components (for front) and CDT ef-61neox coaxials (for rear) in my G35 sedan. Cost way less than $800.
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Option 1:
Okay, narrowed it down to dls up6 in front and rear, eclipse avn-5435, and ??? amp. What amp should i get to power these components? If the cost of the amp is too much then i will go for dls up6 in front and dls 426 coaxials in the rear. If i do the latter, and the coaxials are 60w rms and the amp is 100w-4ch or 150w-4ch, will the amp blow out the coaxials? Also, if i go with the latter, which amp should i get?
Option 2:
AVN-5435 HU
CDT Ef-61CF 130w rms (front)
CDT CL-63 Coaxial 90w rms (rear)
What amp should i get for this set up?
El Duderino, I've been reading that you oppose rear speakers. Maybe i'm so used to having rear speakers, but it just sounds better to me. Why are you agianst it? What if you get good rear speakers like "option 1" above? Would that be okay?
Okay, narrowed it down to dls up6 in front and rear, eclipse avn-5435, and ??? amp. What amp should i get to power these components? If the cost of the amp is too much then i will go for dls up6 in front and dls 426 coaxials in the rear. If i do the latter, and the coaxials are 60w rms and the amp is 100w-4ch or 150w-4ch, will the amp blow out the coaxials? Also, if i go with the latter, which amp should i get?
Option 2:
AVN-5435 HU
CDT Ef-61CF 130w rms (front)
CDT CL-63 Coaxial 90w rms (rear)
What amp should i get for this set up?
El Duderino, I've been reading that you oppose rear speakers. Maybe i'm so used to having rear speakers, but it just sounds better to me. Why are you agianst it? What if you get good rear speakers like "option 1" above? Would that be okay?
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02-02-2006, 09:11 AM
I prefer my music to sound as the artist intended. When they recorded the music, they intended the listener's soundstage to be in front of them, not 360 degrees around them. If you were at a concert in the 5th row from the front, would you want huge speakers right behind you in row 6 pointing forwards (at you)? Probably not. First, it would be distracting. Second, you create more possibility for reflections, cancellation, distortion, whatever.
People sell rear speakers as "fill" speakers that make your music more "full" and "rich"... when in fact the rear speakers are compensating for poor equipment up front (where it really matters!)
In all honesty, rear speakers are basically there for two reasons:
1. To help out the front speakers in poor systems
2. To make mindless car owners feel better about their car because "it doesn't make sense to have only front speakers"- because that's all they've ever known growing up.
People sell rear speakers as "fill" speakers that make your music more "full" and "rich"... when in fact the rear speakers are compensating for poor equipment up front (where it really matters!)
In all honesty, rear speakers are basically there for two reasons:
1. To help out the front speakers in poor systems
2. To make mindless car owners feel better about their car because "it doesn't make sense to have only front speakers"- because that's all they've ever known growing up.
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02-02-2006, 01:22 PM
Originally Posted by soaplag
El Duderino, I've been reading that you oppose rear speakers. Maybe i'm so used to having rear speakers, but it just sounds better to me. Why are you agianst it? What if you get good rear speakers like "option 1" above? Would that be okay?
"Stereophonic sound attempts to create an illusion of location for various instruments within the original recording. The recording engineer's goal is usually to create a stereo "image" with localization information. When a stereophonic recording is heard through loudspeaker systems rather than headphones, each ear of course hears sound from both speakers. The audio engineer may and often does use more than two microphones, sometimes many more, and may mix them down to two tracks in ways that exaggerate the separation of the instruments to compensate for the mixture that occurs when listening via speakers.
Descriptions of stereophonic sound tend to stress the ability to localize the position of each instrument in space, but in reality many people listen on playback systems that do a poor job of re-creating a stereo "image". Many listeners assume that "stereo" sound is "richer" or "fuller-sounding" than monophonic sound. This is inaccurate - stereo and mono can have equally detailed abilities to play recorded notes. The spatial illusion is what sets stereo recordings apart from mono recordings.
When playing back stereo recordings, best results are obtained by using two speakers, in front of and equidistant from the listener, with the listener located on the center line between the two speakers."
From Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereop...reo_recordingsDescriptions of stereophonic sound tend to stress the ability to localize the position of each instrument in space, but in reality many people listen on playback systems that do a poor job of re-creating a stereo "image". Many listeners assume that "stereo" sound is "richer" or "fuller-sounding" than monophonic sound. This is inaccurate - stereo and mono can have equally detailed abilities to play recorded notes. The spatial illusion is what sets stereo recordings apart from mono recordings.
When playing back stereo recordings, best results are obtained by using two speakers, in front of and equidistant from the listener, with the listener located on the center line between the two speakers."
Here is a good explanation of my approach to "front stage".
http://www.avincar.com/avincar_approach.html
That surround sound "feel" you get is only a feel - that's it. Stereo is 2-channel left and right, and it's recorded with the intent to create a stereo illusion in front of you. We are often used to rear speakers sounding more pleasing, because as kids we had speakers right behind us in Dad's car. As a personal preference, that's fine - but it's not more accurate and it's not better - it's just our preference.
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