View Poll Results: Poll: Which Radar Detector is the Best? V1 or Escort 8500 X50.
V1 (Valentine One)
63
44.37%
Escort 8500 X50
79
55.63%
Voters: 142. You may not vote on this poll
Poll: Which Radar Detector is the best? V1 or Escort 8500 X50
Originally Posted by pdjafari
let me get some popcorn....i was leaning towards the V1...but the price just doesnt justify the 'benefits'. besides too many have said great things about the escort...and its not a night/day difference IMHO to justify the price diff...
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Here is a few more results for the non-believers
Originally Posted by Beowulf
Your looking at popularity votes with people who buy $40k cars. Of course they are going to pick the most expensive.
Then why do they pick V1 over every other detector on a VW or Acura site?
Here are the results from the Corvette Forum:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...=valentine+one
Which Radar Detector do you have...
Valentine V-1 122
44.36%
Bel RX65 16
5.82%
Escort 8500 99
36.00%
Whistler Pro 73 2
0.73%
Other 36
13.09%
Voters: 275
Here are the results from the Acura Forum:
http://tl.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76772
Which Radar Detector Do you Guys Suggest up to $400
Valentine 1 136
59.13%
Escort 8500 78
33.91%
Beltronics 904 3
1.30%
Other 13
5.65%
Voters: 230
Here are the results from a VW Forum:
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2444300
Valentine V1 (65%, 81 votes)
Escort 8500 (28%, 35 votes)
Escort Solo S2 (4%, 5 votes)
Whistler (1%, 2 votes)
(123 total votes)
It is pretty obvious that the results from the G35 poll are the exception not the norm.
Last edited by RaDaRkInG; Apr 6, 2006 at 10:33 AM.
Whether they are the exception or the norm does not change the fact that the G35driver.com forums overwhelmingly think the 8500 x50 is "best" (whatever each person thinks "best" is)... yet you laugh at us.
Secondly, the first poll says "which do you have" not which do you think is best. As has been mentioned by several people on here that own the V1, they dislike how it goes off so often (you don't like to call it "falses", so I won't use that word otherwise you'll run off on that talking point). So, from my experience just from these past two threads, what you have != what is best (subjective "best" OR objective "best").
Thirdly, none of the polls refer to the 8500 x50. As was stated in a previous post on here, the x50 is significantly better over the 8500.
Fourth and final, I wonder what the poll would say if it had been "What radar detector would you recommend up to $345?"
We can keep dancing all day long, but you are running yourself in circles. The board has spoken, so you need to shut up. All you're doing now is discrediting yourself and making the V1 look worse and worse.
Secondly, the first poll says "which do you have" not which do you think is best. As has been mentioned by several people on here that own the V1, they dislike how it goes off so often (you don't like to call it "falses", so I won't use that word otherwise you'll run off on that talking point). So, from my experience just from these past two threads, what you have != what is best (subjective "best" OR objective "best").
Thirdly, none of the polls refer to the 8500 x50. As was stated in a previous post on here, the x50 is significantly better over the 8500.
Fourth and final, I wonder what the poll would say if it had been "What radar detector would you recommend up to $345?"
We can keep dancing all day long, but you are running yourself in circles. The board has spoken, so you need to shut up. All you're doing now is discrediting yourself and making the V1 look worse and worse.
See for your self
Get some popcorn and read a little. You will find on most radar testing websites, not a whole lot of difference between the top two.
Radar Test
Radar Roy
Consumer Search
007 Radar detectors
Radar Test
Radar Roy
Consumer Search
007 Radar detectors
And this whole using polls to prove your point is stupid. Last I checked, what made something best had nothing to do with consensus. As Michael Crichton said in a speech, "Anytime someone refers to something as being agreed upon by the concensus, reach for your wallet, because you're being had."
It doesn't take a consensus, a poll, whatever, for the 8500 x50 to be the best. It doesn't take a consensus or a poll or whatever for the V1 to be best. It only takes ONE person to perform a scientific and reproduceable experiment showing the ______ (fill in the radar detector of your choice) to be best AND incorporate the sociology of the situation in order for _______ (fill in the radar detector of your choice) to be best.
This, of course, can never happen, because once you incorporate sociology into the equation you get different (and yet all true) conclusions.
As was stated by many many many people on the threads, many people believe that the V1, for the price difference, is not worth it. This would be sociology playing into things.
Many people also believe that the tests that were conducted to test the V1 and other detectors had too many variables in it to be accurate. Also, depending on how you compiled the data and from what sources, the 8500 x50 could be considered the winner. This is the "reproducability" of the scientific tests coming into play.
Other people complain about the V1's looks, this is sociology coming into play.
It doesn't take a consensus, a poll, whatever, for the 8500 x50 to be the best. It doesn't take a consensus or a poll or whatever for the V1 to be best. It only takes ONE person to perform a scientific and reproduceable experiment showing the ______ (fill in the radar detector of your choice) to be best AND incorporate the sociology of the situation in order for _______ (fill in the radar detector of your choice) to be best.
This, of course, can never happen, because once you incorporate sociology into the equation you get different (and yet all true) conclusions.
As was stated by many many many people on the threads, many people believe that the V1, for the price difference, is not worth it. This would be sociology playing into things.
Many people also believe that the tests that were conducted to test the V1 and other detectors had too many variables in it to be accurate. Also, depending on how you compiled the data and from what sources, the 8500 x50 could be considered the winner. This is the "reproducability" of the scientific tests coming into play.
Other people complain about the V1's looks, this is sociology coming into play.
Last edited by amthar; Apr 6, 2006 at 10:55 AM.
Originally Posted by RaDaRkInG
Follow the coversation guy.
The reason the X50's price was left off was because he said that the over 40K car sites would pick the most expensive radar detector. The V1 is not the most expensive radar detector by a longshot.
The reason the X50's price was left off was because he said that the over 40K car sites would pick the most expensive radar detector. The V1 is not the most expensive radar detector by a longshot.
Originally Posted by RaDaRkInG
Wrong, Escort claimed that their "upgradeable" 8500 was the best then the 8500 X50 came out with supposedly 50% better K and Ka range and nobody was offered an upgrade. The latest independent testing has shown that the 8500 X50 is better than the 8500 on X and K band but the old 8500 beat the new 8500 X50 on Ka band.
By the way, let me see you find one radar detector poll besides the G35 results that show the X50 is better than the V1. While your at it, find one person who can prove that they got their so-called upgradeable 8500 upgraded to the new 8500 X50.
Fact: Bel and Escort do not upgrade their detectors because they have terrible customer service. Why would they care when another idiot will come along and throw another $350 at them and use their old 8500 as a door stop or paperweight.
By the way, let me see you find one radar detector poll besides the G35 results that show the X50 is better than the V1. While your at it, find one person who can prove that they got their so-called upgradeable 8500 upgraded to the new 8500 X50.
Fact: Bel and Escort do not upgrade their detectors because they have terrible customer service. Why would they care when another idiot will come along and throw another $350 at them and use their old 8500 as a door stop or paperweight.
That was a shout out to you G35_TX 
Last edited by amthar; Apr 6, 2006 at 11:03 AM.
Originally Posted by RaDaRkInG
Scientific results have already been done and the V1 kills the brand new $450 Bel STi but don't believe me, believe the results. I don't post scientific results normally because most people can't understand what they are looking at. These results are from a guy named Michael B. who works for Whistler, the radar detector maker, in the lab.
Valentine Research V1 Test 02/07/06
Rev 3.826
Factory Preset is POP ON
X -118 WOW
Ku -111 (default is OFF)
K -121 Responded 100% at time intervals above 100ms
33.8 -112 80% at 67ms, 100% from 100 to 200ms, 20 to 80% from 300ms to 600ms, 100% above 700ms
34.3 -115 0% below 500ms, 50% from 500 to 600ms, 100% above 700ms.
34.7 -115 0% below 300ms, 50% from 300 to 600ms, 100% above 700ms
35.5 -113 0% below 300ms, 50% from 300 to 700ms, 100% above 800ms.
These times were based upon 10 tries at each interval of 100ms from 100ms up thru 1 sec.
POP OFF
K -121 Responded 100% above 200ms.
33.8 -112 Responded 100% above 600ms.
34.3 -115 Responded 100% above 700ms.
34.7 -115 Responded 100% above 400ms.
35.5 -113 Responded 100% above 400ms.
Unit would sometimes alert at bursts less than the above during POP OFF mode but not consistently enough.
POP attempts with POP ON. 10 random tries at intervals of 10 seconds or more
33.8
67ms 80%
100ms 100%
200ms 100%
300ms 70%
400ms 50%
500ms 20%
600ms 80%
700ms 100%
800ms 100%
900ms 100%
1 sec 100%
K Band
67ms 90%
100ms 100%
200ms 100%
300ms 100%
400ms 100%
500ms 100%
600ms 100%
700ms 100%
800ms 100%
900ms 100%
1 sec 100%
Laser Performance was Excellent. The valid range was 30Hz thru 800Hz.
I seem to recall some Laser guns used overseas around 900Hz.
X and K windows are tight at 10.490 to 10.560 and 24.040 to 24.260
Euro mode disables X
Euro mode Ka freq are only valid from 33.7 thru 33.9GHz and 34.2 thru 34.4GHz
Unit PRD Falsing test performed well when tested against major known brands and models at 50 feet.
Sensitivity from the rear horn was as follows
X -117
Ku -110
K -118
33.8 -105
34.3 -108
34.7 -108
35.5 -106
Bel Sti Test
Rev A1 M7
POP was set ON
X was inconsistent sometimes -101, sometimes -110, sometime in between.
K -116 the unit did not report POP K.
33.8 -110 Good from 60ms to 100ms. No response if 200ms to 900ms. Responded mostly above 1 second
34.3 -112 Responded sometimes from 400ms to 800ms. Responded mostly above 900ms.
34.7 -111 Responded sometimes from 300ms to 700ms. Responded mostly above 800ms.
35.5 -110 Responded sometimes from 400ms to 700ms. Responded mostly above 800ms.
Factory reset is POP OFF so I tried that to see if anything was different. (It sure was)
33.8 -110 No response if 60ms to 900ms. Responded mostly above 1 second. Had erratic operation
34.3 -112 Responded mostly above 500ms.
34.7 -111 Responded mostly above 400ms.
35.5 -110 Responded mostly above 500ms.
It would appear that the POP OFF mode will more frequently respond to ½ second triggers and POP ON mode must wait until 800ms to 1 second.
For those of you experiencing falsing issues due to other radar detectors, you may wish to turn POP mode ON!
POP attempts with POP ON. 10 random tries each at intervals of 10 seconds or more
33.8 67ms 90% K Band 67ms 10%
100ms 90% 100ms 20%
200ms 10% 200ms 10%
300ms 0% 300ms 10%
400ms 0% 400ms 30%
500ms 0% 500ms 70%
600ms 0% 600ms 70%
700ms 0% 700ms 100%
800ms 0% 800ms 100%
900ms 0% 900ms 100%
1 sec most of the time see note* 1 sec 100%
NOTE* I had several instances when 33.8 would not work at all even during full CW pulse.
This unit may have some software of hardware issue. I had to reset the unit and it appeared to work again.
Sensitivity and windows for X and K were reasonable over temperature and maintained sensitivity to the edges of X and K band
Laser Performance was good but only valid 100 thru 500 Hz. Good enough for North America I guess.
I seem to recall some Laser guns used overseas around 900Hz. Sorry to all of you guys over seas.
Valentine Research V1 Test 02/07/06
Rev 3.826
Factory Preset is POP ON
X -118 WOW
Ku -111 (default is OFF)
K -121 Responded 100% at time intervals above 100ms
33.8 -112 80% at 67ms, 100% from 100 to 200ms, 20 to 80% from 300ms to 600ms, 100% above 700ms
34.3 -115 0% below 500ms, 50% from 500 to 600ms, 100% above 700ms.
34.7 -115 0% below 300ms, 50% from 300 to 600ms, 100% above 700ms
35.5 -113 0% below 300ms, 50% from 300 to 700ms, 100% above 800ms.
These times were based upon 10 tries at each interval of 100ms from 100ms up thru 1 sec.
POP OFF
K -121 Responded 100% above 200ms.
33.8 -112 Responded 100% above 600ms.
34.3 -115 Responded 100% above 700ms.
34.7 -115 Responded 100% above 400ms.
35.5 -113 Responded 100% above 400ms.
Unit would sometimes alert at bursts less than the above during POP OFF mode but not consistently enough.
POP attempts with POP ON. 10 random tries at intervals of 10 seconds or more
33.8
67ms 80%
100ms 100%
200ms 100%
300ms 70%
400ms 50%
500ms 20%
600ms 80%
700ms 100%
800ms 100%
900ms 100%
1 sec 100%
K Band
67ms 90%
100ms 100%
200ms 100%
300ms 100%
400ms 100%
500ms 100%
600ms 100%
700ms 100%
800ms 100%
900ms 100%
1 sec 100%
Laser Performance was Excellent. The valid range was 30Hz thru 800Hz.
I seem to recall some Laser guns used overseas around 900Hz.
X and K windows are tight at 10.490 to 10.560 and 24.040 to 24.260
Euro mode disables X
Euro mode Ka freq are only valid from 33.7 thru 33.9GHz and 34.2 thru 34.4GHz
Unit PRD Falsing test performed well when tested against major known brands and models at 50 feet.
Sensitivity from the rear horn was as follows
X -117
Ku -110
K -118
33.8 -105
34.3 -108
34.7 -108
35.5 -106
Bel Sti Test
Rev A1 M7
POP was set ON
X was inconsistent sometimes -101, sometimes -110, sometime in between.
K -116 the unit did not report POP K.
33.8 -110 Good from 60ms to 100ms. No response if 200ms to 900ms. Responded mostly above 1 second
34.3 -112 Responded sometimes from 400ms to 800ms. Responded mostly above 900ms.
34.7 -111 Responded sometimes from 300ms to 700ms. Responded mostly above 800ms.
35.5 -110 Responded sometimes from 400ms to 700ms. Responded mostly above 800ms.
Factory reset is POP OFF so I tried that to see if anything was different. (It sure was)
33.8 -110 No response if 60ms to 900ms. Responded mostly above 1 second. Had erratic operation
34.3 -112 Responded mostly above 500ms.
34.7 -111 Responded mostly above 400ms.
35.5 -110 Responded mostly above 500ms.
It would appear that the POP OFF mode will more frequently respond to ½ second triggers and POP ON mode must wait until 800ms to 1 second.
For those of you experiencing falsing issues due to other radar detectors, you may wish to turn POP mode ON!
POP attempts with POP ON. 10 random tries each at intervals of 10 seconds or more
33.8 67ms 90% K Band 67ms 10%
100ms 90% 100ms 20%
200ms 10% 200ms 10%
300ms 0% 300ms 10%
400ms 0% 400ms 30%
500ms 0% 500ms 70%
600ms 0% 600ms 70%
700ms 0% 700ms 100%
800ms 0% 800ms 100%
900ms 0% 900ms 100%
1 sec most of the time see note* 1 sec 100%
NOTE* I had several instances when 33.8 would not work at all even during full CW pulse.
This unit may have some software of hardware issue. I had to reset the unit and it appeared to work again.
Sensitivity and windows for X and K were reasonable over temperature and maintained sensitivity to the edges of X and K band
Laser Performance was good but only valid 100 thru 500 Hz. Good enough for North America I guess.
I seem to recall some Laser guns used overseas around 900Hz. Sorry to all of you guys over seas.
Originally Posted by amthar
Also, in your price list of detectors, you're not exactly comparing apples to apples. All of the detectors you listed except the Bel STi are multi-unit systems.
Again Radarking you used illogical reasoning and came up with another bad argument.
Just face the facts, the V1 and the X50 are pretty much the same...the X50 is just cheaper and in most people's opinion looks better...you can't change people's OPINION!!!
Originally Posted by amthar
And this whole using polls to prove your point is stupid. Last I checked, what made something best had nothing to do with consensus. As Michael Crichton said in a speech, "Anytime someone refers to something as being agreed upon by the concensus, reach for your wallet, because you're being had."
It doesn't take a consensus, a poll, whatever, for the 8500 x50 to be the best. It doesn't take a consensus or a poll or whatever for the V1 to be best. It only takes ONE person to perform a scientific and reproduceable experiment showing the ______ (fill in the radar detector of your choice) to be best AND incorporate the sociology of the situation in order for _______ (fill in the radar detector of your choice) to be best.
This, of course, can never happen, because once you incorporate sociology into the equation you get different (and yet all true) conclusions.
As was stated by many many many people on the threads, many people believe that the V1, for the price difference, is not worth it. This would be sociology playing into things.
Many people also believe that the tests that were conducted to test the V1 and other detectors had too many variables in it to be accurate. Also, depending on how you compiled the data and from what sources, the 8500 x50 could be considered the winner. This is the "reproducability" of the scientific tests coming into play.
Other people complain about the V1's looks, this is sociology coming into play.
It doesn't take a consensus, a poll, whatever, for the 8500 x50 to be the best. It doesn't take a consensus or a poll or whatever for the V1 to be best. It only takes ONE person to perform a scientific and reproduceable experiment showing the ______ (fill in the radar detector of your choice) to be best AND incorporate the sociology of the situation in order for _______ (fill in the radar detector of your choice) to be best.
This, of course, can never happen, because once you incorporate sociology into the equation you get different (and yet all true) conclusions.
As was stated by many many many people on the threads, many people believe that the V1, for the price difference, is not worth it. This would be sociology playing into things.
Many people also believe that the tests that were conducted to test the V1 and other detectors had too many variables in it to be accurate. Also, depending on how you compiled the data and from what sources, the 8500 x50 could be considered the winner. This is the "reproducability" of the scientific tests coming into play.
Other people complain about the V1's looks, this is sociology coming into play.
Originally Posted by Texasscout
I'm not sure, but I think that Valentine has upgraded the firmware a couple of times since you bought yours also.
Well, I have the latest one due to my last one getting stolen at the dealer.
So I had to purchase another one.