Scott,

For those of us that are not familiar with your front strut tower bar...
Can you post some pics for us PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

You just have bench engineers after your throat. LOL

 

Thanks Hero.

Both versions look pretty beefy. I've been waiting to see the one by Carbing when it comes out.

 

No one's after anyone's throat. All I did was point out that comments being hurled convently at a competing product could be brought against his product. I'm not someone that doesn't believe the car needs a front STB. I'm not someone that can't be lead to the phone for a credit card purchase to order one for myself. I wanted a reply that I could sink my teeth into and be made into a believer, didn't get that at all. Common sense tells me the VRT's mounting system isn't a force carrying system, that is my core issue. I don't want career talk, degree talk, lap time talk or even a review of the reviews. I realize that "where" a bar can be made to mount presented very difficult challenges and the craftsmanship to accomplish that aspect looks first rate, I get that. And please, if all anyone can draw up from within themselves is a rehash of what has already been discussed, let's agree to disagree here and now. Just remember I WANT to be convinced.

 

 

convinced as to how it works? or how it doesnt? vs any given product?

I think I gave a pretty good writeup...but, not a complete one.

Honestly...I think that ARC has better tolerance to forces of the chassis acting against each other as I have explained earlier.

The Triangulations on the mounts appear inconsistant and forces from it's orgin may take longer to react against each other. I think that's why the bar is designed to have very little, if not, no flex to reduce the time to react. That's just by going by pictures. I beleive that spacer is to fill in the gap - obviously - between the bracket easment and the well behind it. I would think it would be a serious design flaw if the spacer was threaded to accept the bolt to mount the 3rd leg. That would surely tweak the spot welds off the bracket. So I would assume that the installer would have to drill thru the bracket and through the well, so that when finally mounting the third leg...that mount would be a "solid mount". Now...the other issue would be if the spread from that mount would be able to take the pressure. maybe? maybe not? I think time will tell and if there is some kind of impregnated dent...that would show if that's a bad mounting place. It's one of those "only time will tell" kind of things.

 

Just for you and your benefit, I will arrange something fair for you to try one out. I am pretty sure if you are an honest person, that all's you will have to do is try one out and you will be a believer.....every other person who has one is a believer...no matter how skeptical they were at first ! PM me...


Once again, I agree. Only time will tell, still tracking the cars with these on them, and I mean HARD, and OFTEN.......... if there is a structural design flaw in my braces or mounting system, the flaw would have showed itself by now (or would soon). Over a year now on some of the more brutally driven cars... no problems whatsoever.

 

That's good to see. You'd have to have a lot, i mean...A LOT of chassis movement to exert the amount of force to push one end against the other. Chances of the mount pushing into the chassis is pretty much limited.

Another concept I'd like to see is a three bar design. It would look pretty ghetto, probably bulky but I think the concept will work. Three bars stacked making a triangle. The ends would be branched out in respect to your mounting locatons. with the bars welded to each other..that would limit any flexing and torsion, it's virtually a solid, once peice concept. kinda like the neuspeed stb's and, your design for the stillen sc, just with a significantly stronger center.

 

This is some good stuff. Would really love to see a detailed review by Gsedan35 if he gets a test piece to try out. It just might be one of those things that on paper may not look so great but in reality is the exact opposite. I remember Gsedan35 was totally against coilover systems that had heavily biased spring rates towards the front but changed his stance after real life experimentation with such a setup.

 

The thing I tell to some of the drivers I teach is that given a setup on similar cars may not work for another. Gsedan35 has his own style of driving. Scott at VRT his own...maybe their principles are the same. This is where tuning comes into play.

In essence, what may work for you...may not work for me. I'm not all about what works for whomever...I'm all about what works for me. I think that's the principle that everyone should take into heart.

So if one person bases himself to a review from another person. It should not deter or influence that the viewer on how a certain product reacts to his style. In conclusion...just find out for yourself. If you dont like it...sell it in the classifieds where someone else could better benefit from it - whatever it is.

 

so what about the clearance issue with the stock air box? how has that been resolved and are there any pictures of one installed?

 

Its resolved, there is a few out there that I have made to clear the stock box. Guess none of them are on these boards.

 

are these more expensive than the original?

 

Nope, all variations of my STB are all the same price (to keep it simple) Some versions are a little more time consumeing and harder to make (like the one for the APS, JWT TT kits, and the stock intake one). PITA. Hahaha.