getting the rear thrust angle at 0.00 still doesnt affect the way the car steers, rear toe DOES NOT cause a pull/drift. I've done over 500 alignments and many of those cars dont have rear toe/camber adjustments. Some have had the toe atleast 0.50 out of spec; i set the front toe and the car doesnt pull whatsoever. Your reasoning makes no sense at all.
-GP-

 

Gdup, with the way my other alignment was setup I only had 1 degree thrust angle in the rear and it was a negative one, thus I had a very little pull to the right, barely could feel it, which might explain why now I have more pull and on the opposite side. Someone also said on my other post that toe will cause that to happen to the car.

 

front toe will cause that to happen to the car. Ahero4eternity got a lifetime alignment at the firestone i work at, i did his alignment the first time and forgot to start the car before i locked the steering wheel. When i test drove it, the car drifted to the left. I put it back on the rack, started the car then locked the steering wheel and adjusted to specs accordingly (not touching the rear toe) took it for a test drive and viola, car drove straight as an arrow.

rear toe will not cause a pull.
-GP-

 

yeah, but my front toe is pretty even. L 6 R 7. Should they take a look at something else? Could it be that they did the key thing. Wheels were not straight when adjusted.

 

that would be my geuss. That they didnt start the car before they adjusted it.
-GP-

 

the after is quite a bit off, get it realigned. then report back.

the rear toe angle changes will make your car steer incorrectly
especially on/off throttle. this is a FR car for crying out loud..

it is hard to believe someone would claim to know how to do
alignments when the first obvious sign is denyed...

check your tire pressure, make sure they are even. drive
it and make sure it's still tracking the way it was before checking
tire pressure. then take it back, get it realigned. a competent
tech will be able to get your "after" toe even, and your camber
within 0.2 degrees L/R (the front is fixed camber unless you got
a-arms).

 

ok, i'm officially done arguing with you about whether or not rear thrust angle will cause a pull, because i obviously havent done enough alignments on rear wheel drive cars where the toe was out signifcantly and wasnt able to be adjusted but somehow the car didnt pull/drift anywhere when the front toe was set within specs....

you can read up and talk about alignments all you want but you cant really have all the knowledge unless you are actually performing them physically. I'm not saying you've never done an alignment, you just sound like you know everything there is to know and wont budge on your opinions.

I'm just trying to help the guy out so he doesnt have to pay for the shop to adjust his rear toe again.
-GP-

 

true story.

which reminds me, i need another alignment. car is starting to pull again...stupid crap roads

 

hey, you're the one that's getting all tripped up. i never
argued and i always have an open mind. i only commented to get the
rear aligned the way it should be... for the toe to be equal on both sides
and to get the camber within 0.2 degrees (camber in general). the only time
the toe would not be equal is when the car has been in an accident and
has to compensate for the frame (worst case).

you are obviously taking it too personally and too far. that is sad.
what i recommended is worth a try and competent aligment techs will
agree.

once he checkout his tire pressure and get his car aligned the way
it should have been in the first place and if he still has problems, then
we shall talk more. process of elimination. the first step is to get that
poor alignment job fixed.

 

the steering wheel needs to be centered, that is correct. i didn't argue
about that nor deny it. but that rear toe is not correct either and from
them giving back the car in that state, the alignment in general was
botched. take it back.

 

Align it like you drive it ...................with your weight in the drivers seat!

 

Rear toe does not cause a pull?? where did you learn how to do aligments?

When you do aligments, the first thing you always check is to make sure your Tire pressure on all 4 tires are correct. You always make sure that the Rear Camber is adjusted first to whatever specs you want them (closest to each other as possible). Changing the Rear Camber will affect the Rear toe. Then you adjust the rear toe to be in spec if it can be adjusted. If your Rear toe is off it will cause a pull! Especially since our G's have low profile tires cars will pull a lot easier if the aligment is off.

Thrust angle changes when you adjust the rear toe. Thrust angle is formed from the intersection of the centerline of your vehicle and total rear toe angle. A thrust angle greater then 0 degrees can cause a pull. If its not 0 degrees you have negative/positive thrust angle and it'll look like this on the rear tires with front end aligned

Front end of car
|| || , || ||
\\ \\ , // // <-- THRUST ANGLE negative and positive
Rear end

Or
|| || , || ||
\\ || , // || Visversa <--THRUST ANGLE negative and positive

Those angles are kind of severe but you get the point. If its off just by a tiny bit (+/- .02degrees) it wont pull if the front end is aligned to match the rear thrust angle. Which is probably why Gdup35sedan doesnt encounter much problem with a car that has wrong thrust angles.

According to your specs you rear left toe looks to be way off L 0.17 R0.08 (looks like this // ||). Thats why your thrust angle is 0.04 it has a postive trust angle and thats why your car is pulling to the left. Your Rear toe needs too look like this L 0.08 R 0.08 +/-0.02 or L 0.17 R 0.17 +/-0.02 . Whichever toe is the straight one. As of right now your car isnt pulling to the left but really the rear end is pushing to the right causing your front end to drift to the left.

Rear camber looks good. Front camber could use a bit of adjustment to get it more close but you probably will need to install a front camber kit and readjust the front toe afterwards.

Also you mention he fixed your right rear camber it so make sure you know what the Rear toe specs are. Im not sure so I cant give you a good idea where it should be aligned to.

If what I said doesnt look correct then shoot me! Just trying to help.

 

Also more info on camber/ toe adjustment

If you got postive camber ur wheel will look like this \\ //
If you got negative camber ur wheels will look like this // \\

For TOE Positive looks like this // \\
and Negative toe looks like this \\ //

Its the opposite

 

considering squat, i recommend minimum .10 on the rear per side.

NVS nice pictures. basically you and i are aware how alignment works.

 

really though if the specs for the Rear toe is either .08 or .10 I'd adjust to whichever one. Even though I said +/- 0.02 I'd try to stay really close to spec.