How many times have you ever done a 70-0 full stop? Let alone several in a row? I can think of 3 times in my life I have ever had to do a full lock up.

Point being, stock brakes are more than capable enough to handle the heat generated with street driving. Add upgraded SS lines and RBF fluid, you will never experience brake fade on streets.

How about you read it again? I never said 4x 120-0 stops. I said that 1 120-0 stop is as much energy as 4 60-0 stops. say this aloud "one half m v squared"

Yes, 200-0 is a bit extreme but it was to show that your conclusion is false. The OEMs can only dissipate a certain amount of heat before fade occurs. If the BBK can dissipate more heat before fading then the BBK would be able to stop shorter. Also, some BBK manufacturers sell kits that change the BIAS of the braking system which can also affect braking distance.

Bet the guys are the Zdayz Air strip event did some pretty gnarly stops.

Another part of your equation should be that people with bigger brakes, typically run wider tires (well except the hellflush guys).

do not try to discredit the question.(very liberal practice to discredit the question and to dodge providing an answer to the question)

A 200-0 stop is a feasible situation. Multiple 70-0 stops are too. You cannot make your own broad generalizations and then ignore a few scenarios. Or if you want to make the scenario so specific then state it as in " BBK doesnt help for daily commutes, BBK 60-0 1 time is the same stopping distance as oem but multiple stops will provide different results"

Most bbk probably do not get used as intended and cheaper upgrades to the OEM system may have been adequate. People buy what they want and if both get the job done then so be it.

I read somewhere long ago (from like a car and driver kind of mag) that there was no significant difference in stopping distance between the brembo coupe and puny coupe brakes. Just makes a difference on the track of course due to fade, etc.

My coupe had the puny brakes and had stopping issue (very bad actually almost got into a few fender benders) but that was because of badly pitted rotors and poor pads. After I replaced the pads and rotors the stopping power was excellent. But yeah they looked like honda civic brakes!

Going from puny 12" 03 brakes to bigger 06 brakes, didn't notice a difference, except the pedal was mushy probably because the master cylinder wasn't matched to the dual pistons.

Going from 12.6" 06 brakes to the large 13" OEM G35S sedan brakes, didn't notice much but pedal was more responsive (back to single piston).

On the sedan, going from 13" OEM to Akebono, didn't notice a difference but looks mad tite

But you have to wonder why even over the years car manufacturers increase rotor size on cars, you would think at least your brakes would wear alot slower.

The conclusion isnt false. I also stated that SS lines and RBF fluid would greatly increase heat capacity of stock brakes. OEM brakes can handle quite a bit of heat. Many many people track their cars with OEM brakes without any issues. Still how often will you really do repeated 0-60 stops?

Almost all dynamic brake fade is due to the quality of the brake pad (ie ebay modders) and not the heat capacity of the system. Majority of the time when brake fade occurs, the brake pad is actually skidding on a film of gas created by the over heating of the materials of the brake pad.

Brake fade should not be confused with fluid vapor lock. When you overheat the fluid and get vapor lock in your system, you loose all braking power completely.

I dont have to discredit the question because it had no credit to begin with. This is the real world not a video game; in what world is 200-0 a feasible situation? When have you ever heard of a car locking it up at 200 mph, let alone a G35? Multiple 70-0 stops are not credible either. Track driving usually involves 70-50 or 50-20, ie slow downs, not full stops. In what situation would you ever see multiple 70-0 stops? Please pose realistic questions if you want real answers.

Seems like you are getting to make all the assumptions you want to make your statement true.

Who cares how many times someone does 60-0 stops....according to you it shouldn't matter. Neither does a 200-0. OEM will perform just as well.

Your OP is so contradictory and you will do anything but admit it. Your last statement about BBK only being for brake fade and multiple stops.....that is why I pointed out a 120-0 is 4x the kinetic energy of a 60-0. 1 stop can be equivalent to multiple stops at a slower speed.

If fade exists then a BBK will at some point, out perform an OEM setup. Find the weakest link in the system and upgrade it.

1 60-0 test and writing a report on it is ametuer.

I am sorry, i must havemisread your post. Did not realize this ONLY applies to a G35. My bad. Oh, and only 1 side of the debate gets to set the scenarios.


Seriously, is this JeffLogic101 or what? Real answers.........LOL. You have got to be kidding me. You have made so many scenarios obsolete. You conclusion is based on 1 specific event........a single 60-0 stop.

Ultima GTR used to and may still have the records for 0-100-0.

200-0 is a POSSIBLE scenario.

Track slow downs from 120-60 dissipate more energy than a 60-0 stop.

This is a G35 forum. I am pretty sure no one here owns a 200 mph capable supercar nor would they lock it up at full speed. This was meant to be a realistic discussion, not what if I drove my Ferrari Enzo on the moon and had to stop at 200 mph in 3 feet to avoid hitting an alien? So yes, I did make many unrealistic scenarios obsolete. I guess it is true that common sense isn't all that common.

Are you really tying to use a random 0-100-0 test scenario of an Ultima GTR to validate your ridiculous claims about a G35? Also if you want to claim more heat is generated from a 120-60 than 60-0, please prove it. Unsubstantiated claims with not factual evidence are of no use to anyone. To help you out, here is the forumla to calculate work done by brakes (assuming perfect brake bias and no weight distribution.
W=Cf*m*g*d

NO, it won't

Hate to agree with him but if the one stop required having to apply the brakes for a long enough time, his theory might be valid

It's why the OP went onto say that he wanted to have a 'realistic' discussion. Because in THEORY, he could be right. The general idea of the 1 stop is that the time is so short, it never approaches the thermal dissipation capacity of the hardware used. Which is the context used in his statements

Other than that, in for the semantic battle.

My BBK is so good it allows me to stop from 60-0 on ice with bald tires in 10 feet.

Many G35 dedicated drift and time attack cars use stock brakes without any issue. The Rare JDM G35 doesn't even have stock brembos.

First, the only assumption I made was that people here had common sense ( I apologize on your behalf for being mistaken). Everything else I said is proven.

Second, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how brakes work. Brake fade has nothing at all to do with size of rotor or calipers. Like I said earlier, brake fade is caused by a film of gas created by the over heating of the materials of the brake pad. The coefficient of friction and pad material have absolutely nothing to do with the thermal capacity of braking system or size of the brakes.

Thrid, 60-0 is not amateur, it is an industry standard.

Those drift cars aren't going that fast nor are their sessions all that long?