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Old Jan 12, 2014 | 10:39 AM
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better brakes..

05 coupe.. 59k miles.
Our brakes.. Never feel they have great stopping power...

Do I really have to spend $1500 or more on better brakes to have stop on a dime precision?

My pads and all are in excellent shape too...
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Old Jan 12, 2014 | 11:29 AM
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Search whosurbuddie and big brakes... That's all she wrote.
 
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Old Jan 12, 2014 | 11:31 AM
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How good are your ties?
 
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Old Jan 12, 2014 | 11:38 AM
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Car in pristine condition..
 
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Old Jan 12, 2014 | 11:42 AM
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Because you never do:


Shared post from 'G35Driver' by WhosUrBuddiee from thread 'BBK Myths':

I have seen younger and younger people joining the G35 community and often believe several fundamentally incorrect principles about their cars. One of the biggest being the belief that Big Brake Kits actually decrease stopping distance. It should be clear to everyone that BBKs do not decrease your stopping distance at all. The actual purpose of BBKs is to dissipate heat (and improve visual appearance).

There are a few basic facts that must always be kept in mind when discussing brake systems:
1) First and most importantly. The brakes don't stop the vehicle - the tires do. The brakes slow the rotation of the wheels and tires. This means that braking distance measured on a single stop from a highway legal speed or higher is almost totally dependent upon the stopping ability of the tires in use - which, in the case of aftermarket modification, may or may not be the ones originally fitted to the car by the OE manufacturer.

2) The brakes function by converting the kinetic energy of the car into thermal energy during deceleration - producing heat, lots of heat - which must then be transferred into the surroundings and into the air stream.

The amount of heat produced in context with a brake system needs to be considered with reference to time meaning rate of work done or power. Looking at only one side of a front brake assembly, the rate of work done by stopping a 3500-pound car traveling at 100 Mph in eight seconds is 30,600 calories/sec or 437,100 BTU/hr or is equivalent to 128 kW or 172 Hp. The disc dissipates approximately 80% of this energy.

3) Repeated hard stops require both effective heat transfer and adequate thermal storage capacity within the disc. The more disc surface area per unit mass and the greater and more efficient the mass flow of air over and through the disc, the faster the heat will be dissipated and the more efficient the entire system will be. At the same time, the brake discs must have enough thermal storage capacity to prevent distortion and/or cracking from thermal stress until the heat can be dissipated. This is not particularly important in a single stop but it is crucial in the case of repeated stops from high speed - whether racing, touring or towing.

4) Control and balance are just as important as ultimate stopping power. The objective of the braking system is to utilize the tractive capacity of all of the tires to the maximum practical extent without locking a tire. In order to achieve this, the braking force between the front and rear tires must be nearly optimally proportioned even with ABS equipped vehicles. At the same time, the required pedal pressure, pedal travel and pedal firmness must allow efficient modulation by the driver.

5) Braking performance is about more than just you brake size. In order for even the best braking systems to function effectively, tires, suspension and driving techniques must be optimized.

All modern cars are equipped with Antilock Braking Systems. ABS is an electro-mechanical control system designed to monitor and influence wheel dynamics, and ultimately vehicle dynamics during braking maneuvers. In order of priority, these systems are intended to enhance vehicle 1) stability, or the prevention of oversteer 2) steerability, or the prevention of understeer and 3) stopping distance. Typical systems consist of 3-4 wheel speed sensors, an ECU containing the algorithm processing the wheel speed information, a series of solenoid-driven valves, and a pump-motor subsystem which can be actuated to interrupt and release brake fluid pressure from the wheel-end brake components (calipers and such).

To summarize, for two cars with the same weight, tires, and brake pad coefficient of friction - the stopping distances will be the same, regardless of how big the rotors are or how many pistons you have. BBKs are only to dissipate heat and reduce brake fade under repeated braking conditions.

If you want to improve your stopping distance, get better tires.
If you want to reduce brake fade, get better pads.
If you want to prevent vapor lock, get better brake fluid and lines.
If you want to improve visual appearance of your car, get a BBK.


 
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Old Jan 12, 2014 | 11:45 AM
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Do you take your car to any road course type tracks relatively often?
 
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Old Jan 12, 2014 | 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by dundermifflin99
Car in pristine condition..
I was unclear and vague with my question... I asked "how good are your tires" referring to quality. Tires are the only part of the car that touch the ground. Horsepower and breaking power don't really mean squat if you can't transfer it well... Don't buy cheap tires
 
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Old Jan 12, 2014 | 12:01 PM
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Woooooow. I learned a lot from this post. Thank you guys. Guess I'll be buying those Michelin Sports after all.
 
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Old Jan 12, 2014 | 12:38 PM
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Woooooow. I learned a lot from this post. Thank you guys. Guess I'll be buying those Michelin Sports after all.
Michelin Pilot Super Sports, UTQG rating of 300 so they have enough grip for out WHP and should last close to 30K miles. Check thetirerack.com for their wholesale price.
Brakes, tires are important but so is your pads and rotors. I've been running DBA rotors for the past 20K miles and HAWK HPS pads even longer...they're my choice for better stopping and almost zero brake dust! Just doing the HAWK brake in process will give you 30% better stopping ability. (search)
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Old Jan 12, 2014 | 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Urbanengineer
Because you never do:
Ugh, why are you bringing up that thread? WhosUrBuddiee doesn't really know what he's talking about.

The first part of that post with the numbers is correct because it's plagerized from the stoptech site. Why don't you link the stoptech site instead of his post? His conclusions are slightly wrong.
 
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Old Jan 12, 2014 | 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by gary c
Michelin Pilot Super Sports, UTQG rating of 300 so they have enough grip for out WHP and should last close to 30K miles. Check thetirerack.com for their wholesale price.
Brakes, tires are important but so is your pads and rotors. I've been running DBA rotors for the past 20K miles and HAWK HPS pads even longer...they're my choice for better stopping and almost zero brake dust! Just doing the HAWK brake in process will give you 30% better stopping ability. (search)
Gary
I have a 335i now. I already have stoptech rotors and hawk ceramic brake pads with stainless steel lines. I was debating whether or not I should plan to invest in a BBK because I never planned on tracking my car. However, I was under the impression that it would be a drastic improvement in stopping power. I'll just invest in better tires instead of $5K+ in a BBK.
 
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Old Jan 12, 2014 | 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by AzuMaster

I have a 335i now. I already have stoptech rotors and hawk ceramic brake pads with stainless steel lines. I was debating whether or not I should plan to invest in a BBK because I never planned on tracking my car. However, I was under the impression that it would be a drastic improvement in stopping power. I'll just invest in better tires instead of $5K+ in a BBK.
Tires are everything. Yes I could have copied and pasted from stop tech but that thread (forgot to post link) has great discussion.
 
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Old Jan 12, 2014 | 03:52 PM
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If u do wanna upgrade your calipers just get the one b rembos with some nice pads, rotors and lines..
 
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Old Jan 12, 2014 | 05:18 PM
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Stock g35 brakes are the brakes I ever had.. brembo ftw
 
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Old Jan 12, 2014 | 08:49 PM
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honestly i have regular brakes on my G35 and they are just fine. and I just did all rotors and pads, but they are really fine. I don't track the car or anything so for daily driving a spirited driving they are all good. Good tires benefit in multiple ways!
 
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