Why do my Brembo's suck?!?

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Old 08-01-2015 | 05:26 PM
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It's worth it, I felt a huge difference
 
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Old 08-01-2015 | 06:04 PM
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tbh I heard the upgrade to the brembos weren't even worth unless you're going 6 front 4 piston back, idk
From 06-07 sport brakes it is true!
 
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Old 08-01-2015 | 09:20 PM
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From 06-07 sport brakes it is true!
I had sport brakes, and I still much preferred the brembos. Just my opinion
 
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Old 08-02-2015 | 09:54 AM
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To the OP, did you do a swap onto an '04 that didn't have Brembos? One other thing to realize is that the '04's w/o Brembos had a different MC w/a slightly different bore size (27mm for Brembo v. 25.4mm for standard brakes) as well as a different vacuum brake booster (Brembo version had a double diaphragm with different sizes from the single diaphragm model of the standard brakes). That shouldn't be that big of a deal, but it can change the feel a bit from the cars that came w/Brembos from the factory.

In terms of improvement, it may not be much different in terms of stopping distance for a single stop, but for repeated stops, they are definitely an improvement as the Brembos handle heat cycling much better and the feel remains consistent. There is much more progressive feel in the Brembos as well over the standard set and they can be modulated better.
 
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Old 08-02-2015 | 09:39 PM
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To the OP, did you do a swap onto an '04 that didn't have Brembos? One other thing to realize is that the '04's w/o Brembos had a different MC w/a slightly different bore size (27mm for Brembo v. 25.4mm for standard brakes) as well as a different vacuum brake booster (Brembo version had a double diaphragm with different sizes from the single diaphragm model of the standard brakes). That shouldn't be that big of a deal, but it can change the feel a bit from the cars that came w/Brembos from the factory.



In terms of improvement, it may not be much different in terms of stopping distance for a single stop, but for repeated stops, they are definitely an improvement as the Brembos handle heat cycling much better and the feel remains consistent. There is much more progressive feel in the Brembos as well over the standard set and they can be modulated better.
Yeah my car is an 04 without Brembos, so what do guys do who get a 6pot, do they have to upgrade their mc and booster??
 

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Old 08-03-2015 | 09:37 AM
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It's worth it, I felt a huge difference
No you didnt.

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I had sport brakes, and I still much preferred the brembos. Just my opinion
You only prefer Brembo because they have the word Brembo on them and you think they are better, when in real life they are not. They excel in fade, not stopping power. You will never notice a difference in daily driving.
 
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Old 08-03-2015 | 09:58 AM
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WUBs latter is true in my case as well
Bought them only for looks and the name. I'll admit it. Glad I did though. A huge visual improvement over stock obviously.

 
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Old 08-03-2015 | 10:59 AM
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I bought them for looks also, but I want them to at least have the stopping power of my standard brakes..
 
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Old 08-03-2015 | 11:32 AM
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Those looks beautiful Jersey.
 
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Old 08-03-2015 | 07:10 PM
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Not done right buddy.... Do it on sunday at the sunday show down at steves.. All three of u should be able to get all the air out
 
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Old 08-04-2015 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by WhosUrBuddiee
No you didnt.



You only prefer Brembo because they have the word Brembo on them and you think they are better, when in real life they are not. They excel in fade, not stopping power. You will never notice a difference in daily driving.
Not completely true. While stopping power over one stop won't likely be any different, the Brembos definitely have a more progressive feel to them, at least over the 03-04 standard brakes. The 03-04 standard brakes always felt more like an "on/off" switch to me, whereas the Brembos can be modulated much more easily. This can definitely be noticed in daily driving.
 
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Old 08-04-2015 | 11:27 AM
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Yeah my car is an 04 without Brembos, so what do guys do who get a 6pot, do they have to upgrade their mc and booster??
No, it's not a requirement, but it will feel a bit different from one that came w/Brembo from the factory. A larger bore MC creates a harder pedal. While a larger bore creates a bigger fluid displacement and thus shorter pedal stroke, it takes more force to create the same hydraulic line pressure as a smaller bore (Pressure = Force / Area). Thus, the factory Brembo setup with the larger MC bore has a harder, shorter pedal stroke as it needs much more pedal force to create the same amount of braking pressure/force.

So when you add the Brembos to the smaller bore MC, you still have a somewhat longer pedal stroke and it will feel a bit softer.

Still, the pedal shouldn't be sinking to the floor and need to be pumped up every time...that still sounds like air in the lines.
 
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Old 08-04-2015 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by WhosUrBuddiee
Again, that is the pads not the brakes. If you put Hawk HPS pads on both stock brakes and Brembos, they would feel identical daily driving.
Can't say I've tried that experiment or read about anyone who has, but I don't think you can say they would feel identical. There are certainly other mechanical differences besides the pads.
 
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Old 08-04-2015 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by G35fromPA
Not completely true. While stopping power over one stop won't likely be any different, the Brembos definitely have a more progressive feel to them, at least over the 03-04 standard brakes. The 03-04 standard brakes always felt more like an "on/off" switch to me, whereas the Brembos can be modulated much more easily. This can definitely be noticed in daily driving.
Again, that is the pads not the brakes. If you put Hawk HPS pads on both stock brakes and Brembos, they would feel identical daily driving and have near identical stopping distances (assuming same tires).
What you are describing is pedal travel. Increasing the caliper diameter, increases required pedal tavel for same amount of brake torque. Smaller brakes require less travel, leading to the on/off feeling you describe. That is easily controlled by a driver modification.

Still my response was based on gmmills who said he felt a huge difference from stock to brembos. Either his stock brakes were completely shot prior to replacement or straight BS.
 
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Old 08-04-2015 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by G35fromPA
No, it's not a requirement, but it will feel a bit different from one that came w/Brembo from the factory. A larger bore MC creates a harder pedal. While a larger bore creates a bigger fluid displacement and thus shorter pedal stroke, it takes more force to create the same hydraulic line pressure as a smaller bore (Pressure = Force / Area). Thus, the factory Brembo setup with the larger MC bore has a harder, shorter pedal stroke as it needs much more pedal force to create the same amount of braking pressure/force.

So when you add the Brembos to the smaller bore MC, you still have a somewhat longer pedal stroke and it will feel a bit softer.

Still, the pedal shouldn't be sinking to the floor and need to be pumped up every time...that still sounds like air in the lines.
The base and Brembo options both have a 1-1/16" master cylinder bore size. All 05+ have same bore size. Main difference is base has a single diaphragm brake booster and Brembo is a dual diaphragm brake booster..
 


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