Z1 subframe collar bushings
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Neat idea. How will you keep the bolt channel clear of poly material? And I don't think pumping the fluid in there like that is Hondafication lol. I think it's really smart, and if the subframe collars weren't out your idea would become the norm.
Personally I want something reversible. I kind of like the race car noise, but I am not sure how much will be there.
Would be nice to hear which bushings you have... but being you've been in there for the collars its almost guaranteed you went poly whiteline (I'm poly energy bushings).
Personally I want something reversible. I kind of like the race car noise, but I am not sure how much will be there.
Would be nice to hear which bushings you have... but being you've been in there for the collars its almost guaranteed you went poly whiteline (I'm poly energy bushings).
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You're hearing the diff noise I guessed at in my previous post, and maybe some transmission noise transmitted through the driveshaft, into the diff, through the diff bushings, though the subframe bushings, through the frame, and into your @ss! Do you have poly diff bushings too by any chance?
You can get poly in a liquid form from a variety of sources, I'm looking for something between 60a-80a hardness so I'm waiting for responses from various product engineers for poly adhesive products from home depot, etc. What I'm going to do is the exact same install procedure as the Z1 mounts, except I'm going to seal off the bottom of the bushing with contact cement and duct tape and pour liquid polyurethane into the top of each bushing to fill the voids and keep it all together. Wait 48 hours, poly bushing inserts with no disassembly!
You can get poly in a liquid form from a variety of sources, I'm looking for something between 60a-80a hardness so I'm waiting for responses from various product engineers for poly adhesive products from home depot, etc. What I'm going to do is the exact same install procedure as the Z1 mounts, except I'm going to seal off the bottom of the bushing with contact cement and duct tape and pour liquid polyurethane into the top of each bushing to fill the voids and keep it all together. Wait 48 hours, poly bushing inserts with no disassembly!
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http://www.whiteline.com.au/product_..._number=KDT911
Don't buy from this link. You can find a lot cheaper.
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onevq35de (08-19-2018)
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Here we're talking about the subframe bushings.
Filling the rear diff bushing with poly might be harder as the bushing is horizontal and access is limited on one side; the liquid poly will pour out unless you mask it all off perfectly. Alternatively you could use a higher viscosity filler (epoxy, JB weld, etc) which has been done (There's a recent Youtube video for it with successful short term video results, but very little else).
Nobody on this forum has tried either of these things yet - but if you want to try filling the differential bushing please post up pics and report your observations! As long as you clean out the bushing good with degreaser to promote adhesion and do a good job of filling both the top and bottom cavities while the diff is jacked up slightly so it's centered in the blown bushing I see no reason why JB weld or epoxy wouldn't hold as a semi-permanent fix for this application. There's still the two bushings on the front of the diff but those are comparatively easy to replace with polys if they do eventually go bad.
If you use JB weld or epoxy on the rear diff bushing, you'll need to use the Z1 diff bushing removal tool to get it out if you end up deciding to install a poly or solid bushing there in the future as the typical method using a drill and sawzall will be complicated by this.
Filling the rear diff bushing with poly might be harder as the bushing is horizontal and access is limited on one side; the liquid poly will pour out unless you mask it all off perfectly. Alternatively you could use a higher viscosity filler (epoxy, JB weld, etc) which has been done (There's a recent Youtube video for it with successful short term video results, but very little else).
Nobody on this forum has tried either of these things yet - but if you want to try filling the differential bushing please post up pics and report your observations! As long as you clean out the bushing good with degreaser to promote adhesion and do a good job of filling both the top and bottom cavities while the diff is jacked up slightly so it's centered in the blown bushing I see no reason why JB weld or epoxy wouldn't hold as a semi-permanent fix for this application. There's still the two bushings on the front of the diff but those are comparatively easy to replace with polys if they do eventually go bad.
If you use JB weld or epoxy on the rear diff bushing, you'll need to use the Z1 diff bushing removal tool to get it out if you end up deciding to install a poly or solid bushing there in the future as the typical method using a drill and sawzall will be complicated by this.
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onevq35de (08-19-2018)
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I may do just that. It's a lot of work to replace this bushing. I'd rather put another shift kit in my transmission than f with this thing plus having an awd FX, I don't see much benefit though I do believe I might have problems down the road if I do not effectively shore this damn thing up in some way.
I suppose I'd need to cut away as much of the original bushing as I can, front and back. I'd clean the housing, tape off the font and back and then punch a hole just big enough and at the highest point to slowly inject the jb weld using my little $8 pump that I've used to add diff fluid, power steering fluid, etc. I'd hate to sacrifice that little ****...we've been through so much together.
I'm not so sure adhesion would be a concern though? My thoughts are that so long as the jb weld or epoxy is in a liquid enough state to displace all the air, it should encapsulate everything within the bushings housing and replace all the silicone that was prematurely ejaculated all over my exhaust and with less than 100k miles on the odometer, I'd say that's definitely premature.
What do you think about my thoughts on how to do this and do you have a link to this youtube video? I'm going to look into this further this week for sure and if I do it, I'll do a vid or diy with photo's.
I suppose I'd need to cut away as much of the original bushing as I can, front and back. I'd clean the housing, tape off the font and back and then punch a hole just big enough and at the highest point to slowly inject the jb weld using my little $8 pump that I've used to add diff fluid, power steering fluid, etc. I'd hate to sacrifice that little ****...we've been through so much together.
I'm not so sure adhesion would be a concern though? My thoughts are that so long as the jb weld or epoxy is in a liquid enough state to displace all the air, it should encapsulate everything within the bushings housing and replace all the silicone that was prematurely ejaculated all over my exhaust and with less than 100k miles on the odometer, I'd say that's definitely premature.
What do you think about my thoughts on how to do this and do you have a link to this youtube video? I'm going to look into this further this week for sure and if I do it, I'll do a vid or diy with photo's.
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Discussion is on the subframe, it's expected of you want to fix the wiggle you get these collars.
If you have diff bushings issues, remove the diff and replace the bushings. That YouTube video showed the epoxy method could work, but long term review needs to be done before you could trust its validity.
Plus, once you've already gone through the effort of modifying it you might as well just fix it for good and go poly.
If you have diff bushings issues, remove the diff and replace the bushings. That YouTube video showed the epoxy method could work, but long term review needs to be done before you could trust its validity.
Plus, once you've already gone through the effort of modifying it you might as well just fix it for good and go poly.
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Yeah, I know we're talking about the sub frame. Anything bushing related ought to be relevant, no?
I don't see why it would be irreversible. Using jb weld might be, certainly more than poly or epoxy. Taking everything apart to replace this silly bushing is a lot of work.
I don't see why it would be irreversible. Using jb weld might be, certainly more than poly or epoxy. Taking everything apart to replace this silly bushing is a lot of work.
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