An FYI on Ontario gas....
#16
06-12-2007 | 08:07 PM
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From: Toronto, GTA north
LOL... IDK exactly were I've seen what Colin.
Apparently ethanol has about 90% of the energy by volume that gas does.
This whole ethanol deal is really more about politics than the environment anyway....
Many environmentalists are opposed to it.
Google hits = Results 1 - 10 of about 3,410,000 for ethanol and environment.
e.g.
Apparently ethanol has about 90% of the energy by volume that gas does.
This whole ethanol deal is really more about politics than the environment anyway....
Many environmentalists are opposed to it.
Google hits = Results 1 - 10 of about 3,410,000 for ethanol and environment.
e.g.
Iowa State University researchers are the latest to come forward warning about the dangers of existing and forecasted levels of corn-based ethanol production in the U.S.
#17
06-12-2007 | 08:20 PM
thanks for posting Ian. Interesting stuff. I've read that on ethanol as well. I wasn't aware it was even in our Canadian fuel.
Just a quick bit of trivia. Regular ethanol mix is referred to as E85.
Here is an interesting link:
http://oee.nrcan.gc.ca/publications/...2_257_2003.cfm
There is a lot of info on the benefits of using it.
Just a quick bit of trivia. Regular ethanol mix is referred to as E85.
Here is an interesting link:
http://oee.nrcan.gc.ca/publications/...2_257_2003.cfm
There is a lot of info on the benefits of using it.
There are currently about 1000 retail outlets in Canada selling ethanol-blended gasoline, with ethanol sales totalling about 240 million litres per year.
It is becoming common practice in North America to blend ethanol with gasoline at concentrations of 7 to 10 percent by volume. All cars built since the 1970s are fully compatible with up to 10 percent ethanol (E-10) in the fuel mixture. All manufacturers approve the use of E-10 blends and warrant their vehicles for this fuel. From a vehicle performance and fuel consumption perspective, low-level ethanol fuel blends are indistinguishable from gasoline. Ethanol is also being blended with gasoline because of its high oxygen content and octane properties.
It is becoming common practice in North America to blend ethanol with gasoline at concentrations of 7 to 10 percent by volume. All cars built since the 1970s are fully compatible with up to 10 percent ethanol (E-10) in the fuel mixture. All manufacturers approve the use of E-10 blends and warrant their vehicles for this fuel. From a vehicle performance and fuel consumption perspective, low-level ethanol fuel blends are indistinguishable from gasoline. Ethanol is also being blended with gasoline because of its high oxygen content and octane properties.
Last edited by RBull; 06-12-2007 at 08:30 PM.
#19
06-12-2007 | 08:31 PM
#21
06-12-2007 | 08:38 PM
When I got the G I used Sunoco 94, seemed ok. Ran real low once and put in Petro. The G didn't like it. The fuel gauge actually refused to move for the $20 I put in. She ran poorly. I took her into the stealership and they did the fuel tank dohicky. Been using Shell 91 since and we are both happy. I do still go to petrocan on occassion. That occasion is to gas the Caravan (87) for my wife or to get a coffee.
FWIW
I've been led to believe that the production of Ethenol in an energy loss. It takes more to produce than it yeilds, but it is renewable .. politics eh. 
FWIW
I've been led to believe that the production of Ethenol in an energy loss. It takes more to produce than it yeilds, but it is renewable .. politics eh.
#25
06-12-2007 | 09:00 PM
#26
06-13-2007 | 09:02 AM
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From: Cambridge, Ont. Canada
Originally Posted by RBull
thanks for posting Ian. Interesting stuff. I've read that on ethanol as well. I wasn't aware it was even in our Canadian fuel.
Just a quick bit of trivia. Regular ethanol mix is referred to as E85.
Here is an interesting link:
http://oee.nrcan.gc.ca/publications/...2_257_2003.cfm
There is a lot of info on the benefits of using it.
Just a quick bit of trivia. Regular ethanol mix is referred to as E85.
Here is an interesting link:
http://oee.nrcan.gc.ca/publications/...2_257_2003.cfm
There is a lot of info on the benefits of using it.
Seems we're going thru a change in gasoline supply and composition which may have some effect on engine performance.
(politics and environment notwithstanding.
)C.
#27
06-13-2007 | 09:12 AM
Originally Posted by inTgr8r
It really seems to be engine dependent....
I know someone else that's experiencing the same thing with Sunoco.
Ethanol doesn't carry the same energy punch as gas either.
Some have noticed a milage drop recently as well.
I know someone else that's experiencing the same thing with Sunoco.
Ethanol doesn't carry the same energy punch as gas either.
Some have noticed a milage drop recently as well.
I'm sticking with the Shell V-Power from now on.
#28
06-13-2007 | 12:54 PM
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From: Cambridge, Ont. Canada
Originally Posted by Mmagic76
I filled on Shell V-Power a few months back, noticed at least 80kms more per tank. Since I have 2 cents off Petro, I've always used Petro, but I did a few more fillups with Shell as an experiment and have noticed consistently better fuel economy with the Shell gas.
I'm sticking with the Shell V-Power from now on.
I'm sticking with the Shell V-Power from now on.
Should prove very interesting.....
C.
#30
06-13-2007 | 01:16 PM
When I was putting gas in my truck this morning at Crappy Tire the fuel truck came to fill the station's tanks.
I had a talk with him and I asked what brand gas went into CTC tanks in Kincardine and he told me it was always ESSO. My next question was concerning the use of Ethanol in the gas. He told me there was no ethanol in Kincardine's CTC gas. They meet the ethanonol percentage requirement by adding the ethanol to the stations east of here and that the gas that is trucked up from Sarnia to here contains no ethanol whatsoever. So that was good to hear so I am going to continue using the cheaper CTC fuel in my town.
I had a talk with him and I asked what brand gas went into CTC tanks in Kincardine and he told me it was always ESSO. My next question was concerning the use of Ethanol in the gas. He told me there was no ethanol in Kincardine's CTC gas. They meet the ethanonol percentage requirement by adding the ethanol to the stations east of here and that the gas that is trucked up from Sarnia to here contains no ethanol whatsoever. So that was good to hear so I am going to continue using the cheaper CTC fuel in my town.