13.6-13.8's possible w/ bolt-ons in Non-Revup 6MT Sedan?
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13.6-13.8's possible w/ bolt-ons in Non-Revup 6MT Sedan?
Since a lot depends on driver another way to say it is: Are traps of 102-104MPH in the 1/4 mile possible NA?
After looking at dyno charts and correlating 1/4 mile times it seems like it would take around 260rwhp with a good driver and a set of drag radials. I've seen a number of Rev-up motors break this whp mark but not a lot of 03-04's. Do the 03-04's have more trouble hitting 260whp?
Track conditions and elevation will have a lot to do with it. I'll probably make a few passes at some local tracks like Silver Dollar Raceway (445 feet) or Commerce - Atlanta Dragway (1100 feet).
If 260rwhp with bolt-ons is possible in the 03-04's, will these mods get it there? Z tube, pop charger, 5/16" spacer, Headers, HFC, Cat back, Osiris (if necessary), and pulleys.
After looking at dyno charts and correlating 1/4 mile times it seems like it would take around 260rwhp with a good driver and a set of drag radials. I've seen a number of Rev-up motors break this whp mark but not a lot of 03-04's. Do the 03-04's have more trouble hitting 260whp?
Track conditions and elevation will have a lot to do with it. I'll probably make a few passes at some local tracks like Silver Dollar Raceway (445 feet) or Commerce - Atlanta Dragway (1100 feet).
If 260rwhp with bolt-ons is possible in the 03-04's, will these mods get it there? Z tube, pop charger, 5/16" spacer, Headers, HFC, Cat back, Osiris (if necessary), and pulleys.
Originally Posted by abailey269
Since a lot depends on driver another way to say it is: Are traps of 102-104MPH in the 1/4 mile possible NA?
After looking at dyno charts and correlating 1/4 mile times it seems like it would take around 260rwhp with a good driver and a set of drag radials. I've seen a number of Rev-up motors break this whp mark but not a lot of 03-04's. Do the 03-04's have more trouble hitting 260whp?
Track conditions and elevation will have a lot to do with it. I'll probably make a few passes at some local tracks like Silver Dollar Raceway (445 feet) or Commerce - Atlanta Dragway (1100 feet).
If 260rwhp with bolt-ons is possible in the 03-04's, will these mods get it there? Z tube, pop charger, 5/16" spacer, Headers, HFC, Cat back, Osiris (if necessary), and pulleys.
After looking at dyno charts and correlating 1/4 mile times it seems like it would take around 260rwhp with a good driver and a set of drag radials. I've seen a number of Rev-up motors break this whp mark but not a lot of 03-04's. Do the 03-04's have more trouble hitting 260whp?
Track conditions and elevation will have a lot to do with it. I'll probably make a few passes at some local tracks like Silver Dollar Raceway (445 feet) or Commerce - Atlanta Dragway (1100 feet).
If 260rwhp with bolt-ons is possible in the 03-04's, will these mods get it there? Z tube, pop charger, 5/16" spacer, Headers, HFC, Cat back, Osiris (if necessary), and pulleys.
If you have a good tune, you should be close to the 260 whp mark.
Try talk to Trey, even though he has a Rev-up but I am pretty sure that he can give u some insights on getting ur car to the 260whp mark.
260rwhp isn't as tricky as the 13.6-13.8 1/4mile time... Track conditions make all the difference in the world in that respect... many have done the 260 and not 13.8 or better... and no it doesn’t always mean a good driver can do it... on a ****ty track the best driver even has trouble.
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iiiiekoiiii - Correct, Rev-Up Motors are 05+ 298hp '05-06 manual / 280hp Auto... and of course the 07's being 330hp.
godmans - Yes, Trey has some impressive times and seems to know a good bit about these cars. I'm interested to see what he has to say on this topic.
Oh, for reference anyone who hasnt seen
This Link: Top 25 1/4 Mile Times and is interested in this topic should take a look.
godmans - Yes, Trey has some impressive times and seems to know a good bit about these cars. I'm interested to see what he has to say on this topic.
Oh, for reference anyone who hasnt seen
This Link: Top 25 1/4 Mile Times and is interested in this topic should take a look.
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Originally Posted by OCG35
260rwhp isn't as tricky as the 13.6-13.8 1/4mile time... Track conditions make all the difference in the world in that respect... many have done the 260 and not 13.8 or better... and no it doesn’t always mean a good driver can do it... on a ****ty track the best driver even has trouble.
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Don't waste your time at Commerce. It's slow as *****. Silver Dollar is FAR quicker. Wait till fall to run because you're only wasting your time running in temps above 75 degrees. A cool crisp 50 degree day is ideal. If you want 13.6-13.8s, it's damn simple with a 6MT.....SLICKS!!!!!!!!!!! That's it. In stock form with street tires and at Silver Dollar, you should see low low 14s stock with a 2.1ish 60 foot. Add slicks, a 5500rpm quick clutch slip launch, and you should see mid 1.8 60 foots. That should easily shed about 4 tenths and push you into the 13.6-13.7 range stock or mostly stock.
It's not peak power you should be concerning yourself with, it's the overall powerband. Mod for mod, the powerbands between the Rev-up and non-Rev-Up motors are basically equal. On the track, both cars post the same ETs and the RevUps usually see about 1mph more.
You are correct in assuming MPH is the indicator of overall potential ET. A car that can trap 102-104mph should technically be able to run a 13.2-13.3 with a 1.7-1.8 60 foot. These cars are a bit odd though probably because they don't generate stump pulling torque to slingshot them off the line. My G has almost done 100mph on four different runs, but the automatic bog keeps it stuck in the 14.3s.
It's not peak power you should be concerning yourself with, it's the overall powerband. Mod for mod, the powerbands between the Rev-up and non-Rev-Up motors are basically equal. On the track, both cars post the same ETs and the RevUps usually see about 1mph more.
You are correct in assuming MPH is the indicator of overall potential ET. A car that can trap 102-104mph should technically be able to run a 13.2-13.3 with a 1.7-1.8 60 foot. These cars are a bit odd though probably because they don't generate stump pulling torque to slingshot them off the line. My G has almost done 100mph on four different runs, but the automatic bog keeps it stuck in the 14.3s.
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Originally Posted by DaveB
Don't waste your time at Commerce. It's slow as *****. Silver Dollar is FAR quicker. Wait till fall to run because you're only wasting your time running in temps above 75 degrees. A cool crisp 50 degree day is ideal. If you want 13.6-13.8s, it's damn simple with a 6MT.....SLICKS!!!!!!!!!!! That's it. In stock form with street tires and at Silver Dollar, you should see low low 14s stock with a 2.1ish 60 foot. Add slicks, a 5500rpm quick clutch slip launch, and you should see mid 1.8 60 foots. That should easily shed about 4 tenths and push you into the 13.6-13.7 range stock or mostly stock.
It's not peak power you should be concerning yourself with, it's the overall powerband. Mod for mod, the powerbands between the Rev-up and non-Rev-Up motors are basically equal. On the track, both cars post the same ETs and the RevUps usually see about 1mph more.
You are correct in assuming MPH is the indicator of overall potential ET. A car that can trap 102-104mph should technically be able to run a 13.2-13.3 with a 1.7-1.8 60 foot. These cars are a bit odd though probably because they don't generate stump pulling torque to slingshot them off the line. My G has almost done 100mph on four different runs, but the automatic bog keeps it stuck in the 14.3s.
It's not peak power you should be concerning yourself with, it's the overall powerband. Mod for mod, the powerbands between the Rev-up and non-Rev-Up motors are basically equal. On the track, both cars post the same ETs and the RevUps usually see about 1mph more.
You are correct in assuming MPH is the indicator of overall potential ET. A car that can trap 102-104mph should technically be able to run a 13.2-13.3 with a 1.7-1.8 60 foot. These cars are a bit odd though probably because they don't generate stump pulling torque to slingshot them off the line. My G has almost done 100mph on four different runs, but the automatic bog keeps it stuck in the 14.3s.
and staying very hot and humid at night I'm sure most G / Z owners are seeing slower ET's. I'm looking forward to the weather cooling off a bit. My goals with power is to have enough to get the car to trap in the 102-104mph range under ideal track conditions (good weather, track prepped correctly, etc) on street tires. ET is not as important. Shoot, a set of slicks and we can get a stock focus to run good numbers 
. Unfortunantly, its also an easy way to break things. Have you ever been to Steele Alabama ? Its in the middle of nowhere but the track is much faster than commerce or silver dollar. I ran a good 3mph faster at that track (running low 12's back in 2002 in my old SR 240sx) with them letting people sit on the wall! 
Everyone I know has ran some of their best numbers at that track. P.S. How do you know about these tracks in GA? Did you used to live here?
Agreed with Dave and OCG35. Good track=possible 13s. With drag radials it should not be a problem to hit. As far as mods go, u gotta tune the car to get power out of it. Most of the mods that are available for our cars is breather mods and tuning is the key for them making power.
Originally Posted by abailey269
Great info and I agree with you on not going this time of year. With the heat index at 108 today and staying very hot and humid at night I'm sure most G / Z owners are seeing slower ET's. I'm looking forward to the weather cooling off a bit. My goals with power is to have enough to get the car to trap in the 102-104mph range under ideal track conditions (good weather, track prepped correctly, etc) on street tires. ET is not as important. Shoot, a set of slicks and we can get a stock focus to run good numbers . Unfortunantly, its also an easy way to break things. Have you ever been to Steele Alabama ? Its in the middle of nowhere but the track is much faster than commerce or silver dollar. I ran a good 3mph faster at that track (running low 12's back in 2002 in my old SR 240sx) with them letting people sit on the wall! Everyone I know has ran some of their best numbers at that track.
P.S. How do you know about these tracks in GA? Did you used to live here?
and staying very hot and humid at night I'm sure most G / Z owners are seeing slower ET's. I'm looking forward to the weather cooling off a bit. My goals with power is to have enough to get the car to trap in the 102-104mph range under ideal track conditions (good weather, track prepped correctly, etc) on street tires. ET is not as important. Shoot, a set of slicks and we can get a stock focus to run good numbers . Unfortunantly, its also an easy way to break things. Have you ever been to Steele Alabama ? Its in the middle of nowhere but the track is much faster than commerce or silver dollar. I ran a good 3mph faster at that track (running low 12's back in 2002 in my old SR 240sx) with them letting people sit on the wall! Everyone I know has ran some of their best numbers at that track. P.S. How do you know about these tracks in GA? Did you used to live here?
I know about Commerce, Silver Dollar, and Steele because I lived in Atlanta for a short while and I'm in Georgia quite a bit because I have relatives in ATL, Macon, LaGrange, and Tifton.
guys What about the 06 X's, I know we''re stuck with heavy Awd and vdc goodies, but how Whats the best way of lunching these cars, and what are the average 1/4mile times for Xs if anyone knows. I just got mine im thinkin about ztube mrev/ or 5/16 spacers prbbly alil exhaust work and headers, what should i be running with these mods, last but not least but change up the ECU a little bit if i can find something reliable =]
+1 on the tires. My street 20" tires can't get traction until mid 3rd and I my best two runs were a 13.0 (at 111) and a 13.4 (at 116). Yeah a 13.4 at 116! Talk about traction problems... 
http://media.putfile.com/MOV00352
my run yes i have a rev up motor but with bolt ons you are capable.... the older non rev up sedans did have freaks out there. i was upset i couldnt get traction on the stock bridgestones.
my run yes i have a rev up motor but with bolt ons you are capable.... the older non rev up sedans did have freaks out there. i was upset i couldnt get traction on the stock bridgestones.
Originally Posted by iiiiiekoiiiii
guys What about the 06 X's, I know we''re stuck with heavy Awd and vdc goodies, but how Whats the best way of lunching these cars, and what are the average 1/4mile times for Xs if anyone knows. I just got mine im thinkin about ztube mrev/ or 5/16 spacers prbbly alil exhaust work and headers, what should i be running with these mods, last but not least but change up the ECU a little bit if i can find something reliable =]