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Old 10-24-2008 | 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Klubbheads
first of all he has a 2004 coupe auto.
Second, u clearly don't know what track conditions/experience is.
my car for sure has over 150 runs. I started dragging my car in 04 for fun.

If I go again tonight the conditions will almost be the same as last night for a good comparison with and without ETC from osiris.
 

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Old 10-24-2008 | 12:26 PM
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Thanks, and to M.J.H. I have learned over the years that AUTO > MT at the track (In most cases)
 
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Old 10-24-2008 | 12:27 PM
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Old 10-24-2008 | 12:37 PM
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Thanks, and to M.J.H. I have learned over the years that AUTO > MT at the track (In most cases)
That is true if u are pushing over ~500 hp.
 
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Old 10-24-2008 | 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Dsskyline
Remember you guys are close to 13 even with the high DA imagine if you had the conditions I had or these other guys.

When are you guys going to CS again? Any private events or street legals?
I ran a 14.3 @ 100 with a 2.2 60ft on a 90ish degree day (track elevation ~1200ft). Mods included were exhaust, test pipes, and spacer.

Derek, the track must have been prepped very well for a 1.9 60ft on stock tires

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Old 10-24-2008 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by RobbieG35
Thanks, and to M.J.H. I have learned over the years that AUTO > MT at the track (In most cases)
Yes, because many 6MT guys can't properly drive their cars. Other than that, the 6MT has an advantage over auto's for the VQ35.

Like Klubbheads mentioned, its not as if we're running 600 RWHP to the point where shifting becomes an issue.

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Old 10-24-2008 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Klubbheads
That is true if u are pushing over ~500 hp.
For the FM platform maybe, but not so much for a lot of other cars.

Take the automatic fbody - the de facto king of launching. A friend of mine picked up a used automatic z28 with the ls1 for like 6 thousand dollars. He threw in a lid(intake - $125), got a tune($200), swapped out his converter for a 3800rpm stall(??? $$$), and put on DR's($200). You're looking at less than $500 total mods(minus the converter) on a 6 grand car that he only uses at the strip. He consistently pulls 12.10's at 110mph with loowwww 1.6 second sixties.
 
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Old 10-24-2008 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by trey.hutcheson
For the FM platform maybe, but not so much for a lot of other cars.

Take the automatic fbody - the de facto king of launching. A friend of mine picked up a used automatic z28 with the ls1 for like 6 thousand dollars. He threw in a lid(intake - $125), got a tune($200), swapped out his converter for a 3800rpm stall(??? $$$), and put on DR's($200). You're looking at less than $500 total mods(minus the converter) on a 6 grand car that he only uses at the strip. He consistently pulls 12.10's at 110mph with loowwww 1.6 second sixties.
american cars are like that in general, because the tq that they are making. Manual trannies can not put the power down as efficient as autos especially when going through gears.
My friend with 05 GTO with 6MT was always slower than its 4AT counter parts because he always had hard time putting that power down. He would always trap much higher than modded automatics and I don't even wanna say how much faster his car was when he would do 60mph runs against the same cars that were doing much better in the 1/4 mile....

Ad far as our cars go, unless autos have aggressive FD then 6MT is always going to pull harder at any speed. Consistency with some 6MT drivers is a different issue.

However Dsskyline's numbers are incredible and I would only dream of getting sub 2.0 ft with my 6mt on street tires.
 
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Old 10-24-2008 | 01:56 PM
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Dssskyline- What's your's drivetrain setup? DRs? Gears? High stall TC (if so, what stall)? I'm assuming with that trap speed, you'd be going into 4th.
 
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Old 10-24-2008 | 01:57 PM
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Very nice outcome, def proves to me how weather condition and tune up are essential variables to get the slightest gains, be proud of your G!
 
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Old 10-24-2008 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Klubbheads
That is true if u are pushing over ~500 hp.
I agree somewhat, but really based more on torque and torque multiplication. The VQ is a bit torque deficient therefore it needs all the torque multiplication it can get off the line. Once rolling and assuming the gearing is ideal for the 1/4 mile, the only advantage of the 6MT is the extra 10whp/10wtq it puts to the wheels.

The major advantage of the 6MT is it's ability to adjust launch rpm (ie increase torque multiplication). With DRs and a 5000rpm+ launch, you should be able to squeeze out mid to high 1.8 60 foots. A 5AT with stock gearing (3.3) and stock stall on the TC (~2800rpms) will be lucky to see mid 2.0s. Right there, the 6MT has a .3-.4 advantage, assuming perfect traction/launch. Now, if the 5AT has a high stall TC, torque multiplication is greatly increased and if the gearing is changed out to say a 3.7, things become even better. Now it becomes quite possible for the 5AT to achieve 1.8s as well, but it comes at a cost of reduced MPGs, laggy part-throttle response, and about $3K in work. Worse yet, the 6MT can run full blown slicks and achieve 1.7 60 foots. The question with that setup becomes reliability with regards to half shafts, clutches, and the transmission.

If you've got a 400whp/400wtq turbocharged 5AT with slighly higher stall, it will most definitely out run the 6MT in the 1/4 mile with the same power because the 5AT can build boost at the line, launch off of full boost (assuming you get the TC stall speed right), and preload the drivetrain which greatly reducing stress and will plant the tires harder.
 
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Old 10-24-2008 | 02:17 PM
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^I agree. the bottom line is that the mistake that can be made by 6mt is eliminated by 5AT and as the power increases those mistakes amplify therefore giving the advantage to the automatic tranny.
 
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Old 10-24-2008 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by DaveB
I agree somewhat, but really based more on torque and torque multiplication. The VQ is a bit torque deficient therefore it needs all the torque multiplication it can get off the line. Once rolling and assuming the gearing is ideal for the 1/4 mile, the only advantage of the 6MT is the extra 10whp/10wtq it puts to the wheels.

The major advantage of the 6MT is it's ability to adjust launch rpm (ie increase torque multiplication). With DRs and a 5000rpm+ launch, you should be able to squeeze out mid to high 1.8 60 foots. A 5AT with stock gearing (3.3) and stock stall on the TC (~2800rpms) will be lucky to see mid 2.0s. Right there, the 6MT has a .3-.4 advantage, assuming perfect traction/launch. Now, if the 5AT has a high stall TC, torque multiplication is greatly increased and if the gearing is changed out to say a 3.7, things become even better. Now it becomes quite possible for the 5AT to achieve 1.8s as well, but it comes at a cost of reduced MPGs, laggy part-throttle response, and about $3K in work. Worse yet, the 6MT can run full blown slicks and achieve 1.7 60 foots. The question with that setup becomes reliability with regards to half shafts, clutches, and the transmission.

If you've got a 400whp/400wtq turbocharged 5AT with slighly higher stall, it will most definitely out run the 6MT in the 1/4 mile with the same power because the 5AT can build boost at the line, launch off of full boost (assuming you get the TC stall speed right), and preload the drivetrain which greatly reducing stress and will plant the tires harder.
This was my best 60' time with 3.7FD, modified TC

 
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Old 10-24-2008 | 03:34 PM
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Dssskyline- What's your's drivetrain setup? DRs? Gears? High stall TC (if so, what stall)? I'm assuming with that trap speed, you'd be going into 4th.
street tires 255/45 on stock 18's, 3.5 FD, modified stock converter (same as Rookie's) by edge racing. I held 3rd in all the runs except the 13.7 run I shifted into 4th to see if it slowed me down. My rev limit is 7200 I shift 7k in MM.

Here are the slips after the intake install and a couple pics of the intake.







 
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Old 10-24-2008 | 03:39 PM
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Viet pm me your address so that I can mail you your jacket. I forgot to give it to mike when I was there.
 


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