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Old 04-23-2007, 08:47 PM
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Getting new torque converter what yall think

I am gonna be getting a new torque converter from Edge Racing. I have done buisness with them alot. I was his first camaro using his converters so Andre and I know each other well he built me a 4200 stall for my V6 camaro and i was pulling 1.6 60 foots. So i am thinking of having him put a 3500 or 3700 stall in my G35c. What do yall think. I loved having a 4200 stall on the camaro. I daily drove the car everyday rain or shine and never noticed a difference other than basic stuff like i have more torque when i stomp on the gas @ stop lights.
 
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DaveO has a Trq converter not sure what the stall is - but it def gives good trq!!! He doesn't post out here much anymore because of the drama that goes on... but if you PM him he might respond - I think he browses the boards a bit so he'll prob get your PM...
 
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I was at the track the other night and a guy with a white 350z APS turbo had i think a 3200 converter in his...
 
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How much do they cost BTW, give or take?

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Edge quoted me i think 425 and 50 less if i send in my stocker. Not sure if thats my price or regular price but i can tell you from my experience with converters they are one of my favorite mods.
 
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How exactly do they help you out? Do they just help you out during your launch or do they provide more torque through out the whole power band?

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Stillen offers an upgraded/modded torque converter as well.
 
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Originally Posted by jonnylaw
Stillen offers an upgraded/modded torque converter as well.
??? Are you sure?... I'm on their mailing list and have never seen it in there catelog... I live near them and have never seen anything about it in their parts showroom... I've never even heard of anyone having one.

I could be wrong, but are you sure it's Stillen and are you talking about trq converter or possibly something else?...
 
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OK--ur right--stillen does not offer a torque coverter, but they do offer a transmission valve upgrade that allows for crisper shifts for autos (this is what I was thinking off--sorry for the confusion). Check it out:
http://www.stillen.com/product.asp?id=STIVALVE01&c=PE
 

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How exactly do they help you out? Do they just help you out during your launch or do they provide more torque through out the whole power band?

-Sean
It multiplies TQ until the stall point, at which point it locks up and doesn't do anything anymore. It allows for a harder launch at a higher rpm and more TQ multiplication.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torque_converter
 

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Originally Posted by jonnylaw
OK--ur right--stillen does not offer a torque coverter, but they do offer a transmission valve upgrade that allows for crisper shifts for autos (this is what I was thinking off--sorry for the confusion). Check it out:
http://www.stillen.com/product.asp?id=STIVALVE01&c=PE
Stay away from the Stillen VB! Go with Forged, SGP or SFR
 
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The stock stall is already close to 3000rpms. If you add additional power with a blower or turbo, you'll naturally increase the stall. Keep in mind that a few years ago, a couple people added 3500-3700rpm stalls to their G/Zs and the TCM ECU started flaking out and would make certain rpms erratic and cause inconsistent performance. Oddly, it also caused issues with the cruise control much like the same issues caused by adding deeper gears does to the 5AT.
 
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I can tell u that my 03's stall is not near 3000 its around 1800-2000 tops i have built cars for years i can promise you that my cars stall is not near 3000 what so ever. with a 3000 stall on my camaro i could pull 1.7 60 foots when i went up to a 4200 stall i could get 1.5 60 foots
 
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I know people that have been successful with trq converters on G35 - no issues reported.
 
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Old 04-25-2007, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Crappyday
I can tell u that my 03's stall is not near 3000 its around 1800-2000 tops i have built cars for years i can promise you that my cars stall is not near 3000 what so ever. with a 3000 stall on my camaro i could pull 1.7 60 foots when i went up to a 4200 stall i could get 1.5 60 foots
I can assure you that the FSM states the stock stall as 2800-2900rpms. I can easily flash stall my converter to 2500rpms and taking it to 2000rpms is simply 50% throttle, full on brake. If the tires wouldn't brake loose with the brakes on, I'm sure I can stall it out a little higher than 2500rpms. Not that it would matter though because the ECU retards power when it sees that the brake and throttle are applied at the same time.

The 5AT TC in the G is not a 4L60E with weak *** 1,600rpm stall like that was used in my 94 Z28. G35s and 350Zs have relatively high stock stall speeds and very efficent TCs hence the reason the 5AT cars perform so well compared to their competition which often has more power and the same weight. The thing that's really holding back the launch capability of this car is the torque management system (read above) and also the "nanny" that keeps power relatively sedate below 3000rpms. My G will leap off the line for about 10 feet, then it bogs for a second, and then rpms hit 3000+ and the car takes off. The 350Zs behave entirely different. Most of us drag racers with 5ATs ususally see lower to mid 2.1 60 foots. The 5AT Z crowd tends to see lower 2.0s and even 1.9s. That's a huge difference. The shorter wheelbase and 120lb lighter weight helps the Z, but not that much in the first 60'. There's something else going so that's killing the power in the 5AT G35s.

As for your 3.8 V6 Camaro pulling 1.5-1.7 60 foots with a 3000-4200rpm stall, I'm not believing it unless you were pumping a lot of nitrous through that thing or had some other significant power added. It takes more than just torque multiplication to launch a 3,300lb V6 F-body to a 1.5-1.7 60 foot. It takes power and that's something the 3800 series V6s are in short supply of. I've been around F-Bodies for a long time and I know that it takes some relatively decent power (~280wtq, usually closer to 330wtq) and slicks to propel one of these 4AT cars into the 1.5 60' range on slicks.
 

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