I've seen on some of the threads people have bought grounding kits for $75 or even as low as $50. Who are you buying these from?

I've looked at the HyperGrounding faq and seen that it lists the brand name manufactures that sell thiers for over $100. I don't care about these I want cheap. I've also tried searching and I'm sure the answer to this is posted somewhere already, but I can't find it cause whenever I put in grounding kit in search I get like 10 million results cause everybody puts grounding kit in there mods signature.

 

I wouldnt waist your money on it .About all it does is give you a little better idle .Unless you just want it for the looks . I have one and I removed all of them except the one from the battery to the block and block to wheel well .I still get the smooth , lower idle

Couldnt afford it when young...gonna play when Im old

 

I get the smooth idle that many people describe and I have no grounding kit. I do have a 600 mile 2004.5 if that makes any difference. When I start her cold, she idles at 1400ish, and when she's warmed up, idles at 400/500ish. Smooth, smooth, smooth. Starts right away. If I turn the air on, idles at around 500/600. I can hardly tell when it shifts, and 5th gear happens around 40 mph on a moderate accel.

 

Send a p/m to <font color=green>Gordgee</font color=green>. He makes a good product.
You'll net a few h/p, along with a smoother idle, and easier starting.
You'll like the difference.

<font color=red>GSM</font color=red>
<font color=red>GSM</font color=red>
<font color=black>Silverstone Coupe</font color=black>

 

I'm also skeptical of how much it will do for car performance, although there sure seems to be a lot of people who claim they can see real performance gains and have dynos to back up 10 hp gains. Regardless though, I'm just trying to get a better ground for my amps and carputer whatever else it does is just a bonus.

 

you are looking for a completly different system send me a pm and I will tell you what you want to do to better those grounds and no you won't see a preformance gain when making those grounds more stable

-ASG-

 

CPU,
Just call Scosche and order the 4 ga wire and connectors. They charge 1 buck a foot so you can have your grounding kit for like 20 bucks. I never understood why people would spend that much ($75-100+) money on wire, its kinda ridiculous no?

Its like selling someone a 1 dollar bill for 10 bucks. Maybe I just dont get it=)

"I'm not saying you're full of BS, per se" - Zimbo



-JustICE

 

well depends a lot on the quality of the wire. for a buck a ft quality is not going to be all that great. and for a system you should run a 1/0 Gage to the trunk to a distrubition block for your grounds.and then run 4 gage and if you can get that for 20 bucks please show me were and sign me up for 1000'.

The prices for grounding kits is really right on when you break down all the parts including connectors. and some kits use over 20' of wire.

 

Actually the Scosche wire is the same wire (brand and gauge) found on the other "popular" grounding kits. It is not 1 buck a foot if you go to a shop but it is if you go directly to the source. Even the 99% oxy free is only 1.50 per foot when you buy it directly from Scosche.

Now the Kits I am talking about are the 4 ga 5-7 wire, which do cost $75+. here are some examples:

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two

three

There are no distribution blocks and no 1/0 ga wire. Look at the price. These are plain 5-7 wire grounding kits that use 4 g wire. You are comparing apples to oranges.


So again I do not understand how the prices are this high.

"I'm not saying you're full of BS, per se" - Zimbo



-JustICE

 

ok
1st the wire in those kits is not the same

2nd in those kits you are paying for the packaging

3rd you don't seem to factor anything into your kit such as connectors.

4th then there is the time to make the kit and the R&D involved in making the kit you are speaking of.

Now when I mentioned the 1/0 gage wire I was referring to what the poster was looking for in his situation. The grounding kits that people sell will not help him with what he is looking for.

For his situation the best bet would be to run a 1/0 gage wire to the trunk to a distribution block then from that run 4 gage wire to what he wants grounded in his case amps.

Now if you want to tell me how any of the kits you posted can help him in his situation please explain that. If you have the time and resources sure you can make grounding system compatible to the ones you listed for less. But you have to factor in the cost of convince and the fact that most people just want to install it.

That would be like you telling me that when I charge some one for a custom fiberglass sound system 5000 dollars that I'm ripping them off because the materials may only cost me 1000 for the project. But after you factor in the 2 weeks to build and the knowledge of how to build the system I would like to see what you would charge.

If you want to continue this send me a PM

 

Don't forget you are talking about something that is complicated-the devil is in the details. There are all kinds of ways to screw up. If you ever tried to duplicate a kit like this you would see that. Do you think all the people getting these kits are just morons or have more money than sense? Let me share with you what I considered before buying from Gord for $100. I knew I could get 4 ga. welding cable for $1 ft.

1. Am I using the right cable? Is it low oxygen, is it low enough? Does it have chemical/heat resistant covering-as good as Gord's?
2. Are the connectors as good, as thick, gold-plated(or not)
3. Was the connector crimped hard-enough, well enough.
4. Did I make each cable the right length, not too long, not too short.
5. Finally, after all was said and done, was it tested, perhaps on a dyno to see if similar results as Gord's were obtained.
The extra $50 (maybe that much) ensures the marketer's seal of approval. I think after all the above if I made my own kit for $50, it was very likely that one of the above steps would be screwed up. Then I would have wasted $50 and posted that "I didn't see any difference in the kit, and that it was worthless". As I said, the devil is in the details.

 

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2nd in those kits you are paying for the packaging

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This is my point.

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3rd you don't seem to factor anything into your kit such as connectors.

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I don't have a kit. I bought Scosche wire and connectors and make the grounding kit myself. And actually my kit was only made because I had extra 4g wire.

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4th then there is the time to make the kit and the R&D involved in making the kit you are speaking of.

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The research and development has already been done (for the grounding kits that the origional poster made reference too). Directions for installation and materials for grounding kits are readily available even on this forum. Making the kit consists of cutting wire and attaching connectors. 5 minutes. Installation is the only thing that is time consuming (running the wiring throughout his car etc).

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Now when I mentioned the 1/0 gage wire I was referring to what the poster was looking for in his situation. The grounding kits that people sell will not help him with what he is looking for.

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Actually his first post stated (see below) he wants something cheaper then the brands listed in the hypergrounding faq thread, which cost $100+. I got my links from the exact same thread! So he was looking for something similar but less expensive (and I believe the actual hypergrounding brand is $75 but dont quote me), which is much less expensive then the other brands.

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I've seen on some of the threads people have bought grounding kits for $75 or even as low as $50. Who are you buying these from?
I've looked at the HyperGrounding faq and seen that it lists the brand name manufactures that sell thiers for over $100. I don't care about these I want cheap.

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Now if you want to tell me how any of the kits you posted can help him in his situation please explain that.

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Use the grounding kit and then connect his carputer and amp to one of the nodes. I assume this is where he was going with this. I assumed this because he made reference to the grounding kits I showed above, which I also took from the hypergrounding kit thread.


I have tried to make reference to the origional question he asked. Not the question of, "is this the type of grounding kit I need", which everyone else seems to be answering=).


"I'm not saying you're full of BS, per se" - Zimbo



-JustICE

 

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1. Am I using the right cable? Is it low oxygen, is it low enough? Does it have chemical/heat resistant covering-as good as Gord's?

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Now I will not speak down about any particular vendor so I will not comment on Gord's product specifically. I will say that there are some products, widely purchased even on these forums that use Scosche wiring. In fact, they use the lesser grade of the 2 available EFX types. This wire is available for $1 per foot (and I believe was $1.50 for the high grade)

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2. Are the connectors as good, as thick, gold-plated(or not)

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these are also available.

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3. Was the connector crimped hard-enough, well enough.

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The only way you really know about the quality of the crimp would be if you did it yourself no? You are not garaunteed anything when someone else does the work.

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4. Did I make each cable the right length, not too long, not too short.

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The length of cable is readily available even on these forums.

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5. Finally, after all was said and done, was it tested, perhaps on a dyno to see if similar results as Gord's were obtained.

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Again, I will not comment on a specific product but I will say that many have purchased grounding kits well before a Dyno was run to confirm any performance increases. Plus, the stated power increases for most of these kits is well within the error range of a dyno anyhow.

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Do you think all the people getting these kits are just morons or have more money than sense?

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I am definitly biased because I have been around electronics and electric systems for quite a long time. I would not go so far as to say people are morons and I think having more money then sense is a goal that most people seek. But I do see this as selling a dollar for 10 bucks.

"I'm not saying you're full of BS, per se" - Zimbo



-JustICE

 

Funny - thats what i call a car wash! ~ 1 dollar of water for 10 bucks - or 14 where i go.

2003.5 DP Sedan (Everything but Nav)
Injen CAI
10 Wire HyperGround
Crawford Plenum (V4)
H-Liner
Polk Tweeter Upgrade (EX-3500)
Coming Soon: Lite Crank Pulley, Motion Sensor

 

funny My car washes are free well ok 1 dollar for the water and about 4 hours of my time to bad I can't charge my labor rate to my self lol