NWP75mm throttle body 15hp- Still not convinced
#16
There is just "a point" where any more spent on mods just isn't worth it. You won't get your money back is what I'm getting at. The "base value" of your car is self explanatory.
This is by no means to berate the G, but seriously 2K$ in breather mods for a little more pep? Check your finances. Do I need to spell that out for you? 250$ spacer, 250$ 3.5" tube, 300$ (ehh) NWP TB (it is cheaper then OEM), 400$ headers, 300$ HFC's, 500$+ Cat back. This all nets for maybe 30 HP which you now need a tune and that's 500$ to make sure you are not running lean enough.
If you can afford it, congratu-****ing-lations. Make sure to pay your child support.
This is by no means to berate the G, but seriously 2K$ in breather mods for a little more pep? Check your finances. Do I need to spell that out for you? 250$ spacer, 250$ 3.5" tube, 300$ (ehh) NWP TB (it is cheaper then OEM), 400$ headers, 300$ HFC's, 500$+ Cat back. This all nets for maybe 30 HP which you now need a tune and that's 500$ to make sure you are not running lean enough.
If you can afford it, congratu-****ing-lations. Make sure to pay your child support.
#20
I am confusing with my terrible paragraph structure. Yes.
I am saying this upgrade would have been perfect years ago. For many people (including me) a brand new TB would be an upgrade over the original from the car. Now this increased TB size is great if your car already has breather mods.
Example? Blue dream has a full exhaust on his sedan, plus he is sporting a fancy clean stainless steel cold air intake.
OBsessed has a heavily modded G with an aftermarket exhaust and intake (3.5") to support the NWP.
On their cars it is worth it for sure.
You need to increase in all of these areas too, or you are trying to shove a cube into a circular hole. You aren't receiving the full benefit of this mod without these supporters. That is why NWP does not do extensive testing on it with a stock G. One dyno run...
More data will surface eventually that will support the whole breather package.
Until then you need to mod to meet the bar.
For ME? I will wait till my TB fails before I buy the expanded TB.
I am saying this upgrade would have been perfect years ago. For many people (including me) a brand new TB would be an upgrade over the original from the car. Now this increased TB size is great if your car already has breather mods.
Example? Blue dream has a full exhaust on his sedan, plus he is sporting a fancy clean stainless steel cold air intake.
OBsessed has a heavily modded G with an aftermarket exhaust and intake (3.5") to support the NWP.
On their cars it is worth it for sure.
You need to increase in all of these areas too, or you are trying to shove a cube into a circular hole. You aren't receiving the full benefit of this mod without these supporters. That is why NWP does not do extensive testing on it with a stock G. One dyno run...
More data will surface eventually that will support the whole breather package.
Until then you need to mod to meet the bar.
For ME? I will wait till my TB fails before I buy the expanded TB.
#22
I am confusing with my terrible paragraph structure. Yes.
I am saying this upgrade would have been perfect years ago. For many people (including me) a brand new TB would be an upgrade over the original from the car. Now this increased TB size is great if your car already has breather mods.
Example? Blue dream has a full exhaust on his sedan, plus he is sporting a fancy clean stainless steel cold air intake.
OBsessed has a heavily modded G with an aftermarket exhaust and intake (3.5") to support the NWP.
On their cars it is worth it for sure.
You need to increase in all of these areas too, or you are trying to shove a cube into a circular hole. You aren't receiving the full benefit of this mod without these supporters. That is why NWP does not do extensive testing on it with a stock G. One dyno run...
More data will surface eventually that will support the whole breather package.
Until then you need to mod to meet the bar.
For ME? I will wait till my TB fails before I buy the expanded TB.
I am saying this upgrade would have been perfect years ago. For many people (including me) a brand new TB would be an upgrade over the original from the car. Now this increased TB size is great if your car already has breather mods.
Example? Blue dream has a full exhaust on his sedan, plus he is sporting a fancy clean stainless steel cold air intake.
OBsessed has a heavily modded G with an aftermarket exhaust and intake (3.5") to support the NWP.
On their cars it is worth it for sure.
You need to increase in all of these areas too, or you are trying to shove a cube into a circular hole. You aren't receiving the full benefit of this mod without these supporters. That is why NWP does not do extensive testing on it with a stock G. One dyno run...
More data will surface eventually that will support the whole breather package.
Until then you need to mod to meet the bar.
For ME? I will wait till my TB fails before I buy the expanded TB.
Oh, also have the aluminum 1 piece drive shaft but that doesn't actually add power, just feel, and a tune of course to make everything work. Doing a mod as an investment isn't going to pay off though, you do it for the fun, the challenge, or whatever other personal reasons you've got, but fiscally speaking - modifying cars isn't where it's at.
And this "mod" has been available since 2010 if you were willing to work for it, just not as a kit. I think that's about the time the Maxima VQ guys realized the new Max's had been upgraded and started retrofitting them.
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Urbanengineer (11-08-2013)
#23
You are correct about the 3.5" intake being a big deal though. I would absolutely not bother with doing JUST the throttle body, personally. As I've said before, it's kind of half-assing it. And it forces you to get a tune to compensate the MAF readings, which is also a good thing. So when you consider all that it loses some bang for the buck value, and I absolutely take back my earlier stance on the subject. I did notice an improvement with just the TB, but the difference is so huge with the new intake that you owe it to yourself to both if you can.
#24
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yup people don't mod their car to increase its value. they do it to increase its appeal to the owner and that's it (mostly). it usually has the opposite affect. in the used car market a 100% clean stock car will go for more than a modified car of the same make and model. and easier to sell
#29
I'm not following you. Not arguing either because I don't understand what you're saying. I noticed a big difference with the larger intake compared to z-tube and NWP. Why would that be?