I don't doubt your knowledge. What I took exception to was the false statement that an AT "knows" any less than and MT about the coming curves. I can get my AT into any of the available gears, rpms permitting, just like I could when I drove a manual.

Your inference that AT's are somehow not for Men seemed ridiculous considering it was backed up with an untrue statement. Manumatic's DO take the auto out of the automatic - you got that right. While they don't add a clutch plate, they do let me select 3rd when BEFORE entering the apex of a 80 mph curve - just like it used to work in the manny I owned previously. Your performance is no better than any other AT G, driving skill, notwithstanding, unless you have a better launch at the start of our hypothetical race.

 

What I can't stand with the auto is the lack of detailed control of the forces resulting from shifting. You don't know EXACTLY when the transmission is going to shift from the point you hit the button. Then there are the issues with how much power the transmission can take (is the auto going to blow when you intall the turbo kit?). Plus you lose a gear (in general) which is a huge disadvantage from a force-to-the-ground standpoint integrated over a large accelerating distance.

 

alright, well, an AT wouldn't "know any less" than the MT since it wouldn't really "know" anything. hell, the only way an MT would "know" something is if the operator/driver actually did something to it. a manumatic wouldn't know either. you could shift anything, whether manual or auto "rpm's permitting," but wouldn't an MT give you better control over the rpm's (i mean, isn't that the purpose of blipping the throttle to match wheel speed with engine speed.....single or double cluching)?

i don't even know where that came from.

so, in reality then, not only is the MT "obsolete," but that would mean that the conventional auto tranny is obsolete as well. the concept of the "clutchless tranny" is not new, it has been experiemented with before, and is used extensively throughout different race circuits (you know, those really cool sequential shifters).

does this happened without matching rpm's? works exactly the same? i'm confused well, what if you were on a course, say laguna seca: just before turn five, you know, the really sharp left that goes into a downhill esse to the right.....depending on the car you were in and blah blah blah, you could potentially be on 5th gear, just before you hit that slight downhill before the turn, but in order to brake and turn, you're going to have to shift down 2 gears to third (and even 2nd down that hill to accelerate out of the hole, but not too much for the soft left that comes along).

now, i guess if we were in a G, it wouldn't really matter anyway since it wouldn't be going that fast up that hill. but since we're talking about "real racers" (my words, i know), it would matter if you slapped an AT in there, would it not? anyone, please correct me if i'm wrong. i've never raced with an auto (unless you count those young, dumb "street-racing" days where i could kick @$$ with my mom's corolla , so i'm pretty unfamiliar with it.

so, i guess all in all is that we should start calling all the race crews and tranny engineers and tell 'em to switch to the magical "MANumatic" since we've both just proved that conventional manuals and conventional autos are obsolete and that there is absolutely NO performance gain. i wonder if the ecu's on auto trannies, as well as the tranny itself, could handle rally racing? sure is a lot of shifting....

 

i agree with you on the exactness of it, but am not so sure why you would lose a gear? i'm guessing you are referring to just the G between the auto and manual. if so, then yeah. but the accelerating distance would have to be greater than the 1/4 since the auto's are faster than the manuals over that distance.

 

wasn't this a supercharger thread to begin with? sorry for jackin' your thread vat_U_tink

 

If that's the case then it's some artifact of an easier launch or faster shifting or the auto just hitting the end of a gear at the end of the 1/4 while the MT needs to shift, or something of the like.

 

With the 10 wire hyperground and constant ECU resetting, I get precisely what I want out of the gearbox, immediately. The group of entusiasts that use this mod speak unanimously about the positve effects of the kit as well as the need to reset. I hate the lag, but I decided not to put up with it. I can get my tranny 2 gears down faster than I ever could with a manual.

Auto's aren't the ultimate, but over time I've grown to appreicate the G's transmission for what it still allows me to do even as I miss the 5 speeds past.

Now that 8 speeds auto's are being developed by toyota and 7's are already going mainstream...the ratio's alone demand that performance enthusiasts consider them. Having 8 gears offers a a lot of chances for the motor to hit the sweet spot. I bet there's never going to be a 8 or 9 speed manual tho...

 

it's the lauch....it's always the launch.....

 

right on point.

 

Well in that case the AT wins 9 of 10 times as evidenced by all the track meets I've been to and raced in...why was it the MT was so superior again???

 

hey, ive got an idea! Lets get back on topic and talk about getting a stillen supercharger installed by the dealership! After all, that was the whole reason i started looking at this thread in the first place...

 

uh, i've already conceded that the auto was better than MT straight line. for everything else, feel free to read all of my other posts, and answer some of the questions i had for you. we'll go at it from there.....again......

oh yeah, dieselnuts, i already apologized about jackin' the thread....read a couple posts up. besides, if you really want to know YES the dealer will install it for you (depending on the dealer). you should ask your local dealer, and they'll tell you for sure.

 

More gears, more control, less driveline loss, stronger, higher resale value, etc...

 

well, on that note, don't forget gas mileage....

 

Anyway.... Back to the SC thread - does anyone think Stillen would consider a group buy?

I’m sure this has been broached before but don’t flame me... seems like a good place to inquire.