wow can you get your panties loosened up a bit, can a dude go out for the weekend. Out of the ones you mentioned, i've tried the t1-rs along with the v-12 and the vreds. simply put the engineering behind it. the v12s resin coating is not part of the entire compund, throught the tire, while a very effective resin for dry traction, it suffers in wet handling. the vreds channel much more water and have better wet traction. the sidewall flexing i have noticed is much more responsive with the vreds when cornering hard. i feel more in control when taking those corners. while the sedans do suffer from oversteer, i found my rear section much more in control with the vreds on. dry traction is better as well, the silica compound used on the vreds is very grippy and even with a 260 treadwear rating, so far they are on pace to last longer than my v12s.

oh yeah do i have a dexter tire laboratory in my house? no.
they are both greatly priced tires for the market and competition around them. both very capable when pitted against its competition but the vreds pulls ahead with the added wet handling, sidewall response and overall grip. additionally, they are fairly lightweight. for a guy like you who hits the track, every ounce counts. in 275/35/19 the v12 are listed around 29lbs (i think 28 is more accurate), the vreds in the same size are about ~26.4lbs.

i would say try them as your next set, i think you would appreciate them. they are about the same price if you shop around.

I haven't used too many different types of tires. Mostly just going between fk452s and v12s. It seems to me, too, that the v12s wear out faster.

All of the tires mentioned are with in the same price category as well as Treadwear, longevity and handling. They are all UHP (Ultra High Performance) tires. So they will all perform (some what) similar but with each having their own top characteristics.

The Toyos are way over priced for what you get out of them. They are garbage in the rain and don't last.
The Invos are ok. They don't handle very good in the rain.
The S Drives are pretty good. They are good in the rain, dry and longevity wise they are not bad they lasted me 30,000 miles.
The V12s are almost like the S drives but with a little bit better grip.
The Vreds are good too but they are harder to find (unless ordered online). The asymmetric directional tread pattern is what makes them so good.

Give me a call and let me know what you are looking to get out of the tires and I will lead you in the right path. I will be at the meet on Wed if you want to talk there also.

appreciate the feedback. too often people throw out blanket statements like your original with nothing to back it up. this was a much more informative post than your first. ill have to look into them although i just bought a new set of v12s. i havent found my v12s to be lacking in wet grip or sidewall response even when i do push them but if its a noticeable improvement then thats what matters.

edit: nevermind they dont make a 285/35/19.

Thanks guys for the positive responses! Dubi il give you a call on lunch today. Ive been a bit busy over the weekend and hadnt had the chance to check the forum. Also Dubi what kind of driving do you mainly do to get 30k out of the V12s? Any track duty/ aggressive driving duty? I feel im a VERY aggressive driver not to mention i go to the track almost once a month if not more im surprised theyve lasted this long but i got about 9000 miles on mine now.

yeah that is the one thing i am waiting from them. a 285 would be nice.

Woady what size you running now? When i get the new wheels i was going with a 10.5in rim in the rear and 9.5 up front and thinking about 275/40/19 and 255/40/19 i havent decided the off set yet but i have the choice between 0, 12, and 22.

the 0 offset will be very aggressive and tight. some folks are running that. the 12 is safe, it will look good. a 285 will fit nicely in the rear. you may want to go with 285/35 instead of a 40 sidewall. the overall circumference might be above what's tolerable for the vdc. you can check that with the wheel size calculator.

0 ... do it... hahaha. i guess i cant really talk. im running 19x12+0 on my Q right now. Looking for new tires .... gonna go a little more conservative 19x11+10

So the 12s should do it all around at stock height and when i lower on coils about 2in?

rimtuck.com is a very good reference site for wheel/tire sizes

fyi, folks posting on there are running lots of negative camber and have done fender work.

I also need new rears. I am running 285/30/20 in the rear right now... I like the V12s because of the price... can anyone recommend a good place to look at the vred that would have a good price?

Hey Chris i talked to Dubi he gave me about the best price i can find right now give him a call!

Alright, ill give him a call tomorrow when i get the opportunity.