Planning to Buy G35 and Twin Turbo... Any advice
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07-19-2008 | 05:54 PM
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07-19-2008 | 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by G Nasty23
Stick with the G... not a biased opinion either. An inifiniti is way more classy than an Evo anyday. Your Evo may get you some more power in some cases but your G will make you FEEL like a G everyday. Trust me.
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Good luck
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07-19-2008 | 10:12 PM
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Without reading your post any further, I think you need to do some research on what you're doing. It may appear to most that it seems you know what you're talking about, but if you know anything about turbo systems, duals are good to a certain point (as far as horsepower is concerned, not response) a single turbo is an upgrade to most in exchange for their tiny twins.
Before you end up blowing all your money on useless items, learn about stand alone units and/or piggy back systems. The stock engine management that comes with most kits are very conservative, you'll need to know and understand fuel management and the basic idea of how turbo chargers work. www.howstuffworks.com
It's not an insult, I'd prefer you justify your investment if you were approached instead of standing in a stupor by someone more educated on the subject.
Before you end up blowing all your money on useless items, learn about stand alone units and/or piggy back systems. The stock engine management that comes with most kits are very conservative, you'll need to know and understand fuel management and the basic idea of how turbo chargers work. www.howstuffworks.com
It's not an insult, I'd prefer you justify your investment if you were approached instead of standing in a stupor by someone more educated on the subject.
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07-19-2008 | 10:34 PM
Originally Posted by cjohnson18711
I'm quite aware of the cost it will take to Twin turbo the G. I work for the dealership. So I only pay $500 over the list price of a vehicle... With the extra couple grand i'll be saving, I plan on throwing that into a TT.. or Single Turbo.. but.. Why get single when you can get a Twin.
But.. to be honest, I Think i'ma hold off on the Twin Turbo Idea until maybe next spring. That way I can get comfortable with the G before I decide to go along with the TT setup. And yes I do plan on buying a winter beater...as RWD isn't a great vehicle to manuver here during the New England winters.
On another note.. I REALLY want a turbocharged vehicle.. I had my dreams set on a EVO 8 or 9 for the last couple of years.... But I recently discorverd the G35... Although this may be a silly question to ask on this forum, but do you guys think I might possible be better off with the EVO?... or Stick with the G?
But.. to be honest, I Think i'ma hold off on the Twin Turbo Idea until maybe next spring. That way I can get comfortable with the G before I decide to go along with the TT setup. And yes I do plan on buying a winter beater...as RWD isn't a great vehicle to manuver here during the New England winters.
On another note.. I REALLY want a turbocharged vehicle.. I had my dreams set on a EVO 8 or 9 for the last couple of years.... But I recently discorverd the G35... Although this may be a silly question to ask on this forum, but do you guys think I might possible be better off with the EVO?... or Stick with the G?
You can get a built up one for 35k-40k for one that was bought new and had 50k dropped into it.
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07-19-2008 | 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by G35Enthused
Without reading your post any further, I think you need to do some research on what you're doing. It may appear to most that it seems you know what you're talking about, but if you know anything about turbo systems, duals are good to a certain point (as far as horsepower is concerned, not response) a single turbo is an upgrade to most in exchange for their tiny twins.
Before you end up blowing all your money on useless items, learn about stand alone units and/or piggy back systems. The stock engine management that comes with most kits are very conservative, you'll need to know and understand fuel management and the basic idea of how turbo chargers work. www.howstuffworks.com
It's not an insult, I'd prefer you justify your investment if you were approached instead of standing in a stupor by someone more educated on the subject.
Before you end up blowing all your money on useless items, learn about stand alone units and/or piggy back systems. The stock engine management that comes with most kits are very conservative, you'll need to know and understand fuel management and the basic idea of how turbo chargers work. www.howstuffworks.com
It's not an insult, I'd prefer you justify your investment if you were approached instead of standing in a stupor by someone more educated on the subject.
. But anywho.... I will take your advice with strive. I understand that there is more than meets to eye to just bolting on a turbocharger... I just noticed the "Forced Induction" forum.. I'ma take a stroll over there and read up for a while. Your advice is greatly appreciated.
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07-19-2008 | 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Darkstar752
Buy a built up one... TT isn't a couple grand btw, looking more at 7k to 10k
You can get a built up one for 35k-40k for one that was bought new and had 50k dropped into it.
You can get a built up one for 35k-40k for one that was bought new and had 50k dropped into it.
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07-20-2008 | 04:39 AM
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Eh I'll throw my two cents out there... One, why are you that interested in TT the coupe? (granted I understand the want more power, badass of a TT, ect) What I mean though is, what real benefit is it to YOU. Being that you live in the NE with horrible weather, a rwd coupe is about as pita as it gets for that area. I've taken my stock '05 6MT coupe to missouri and iowa over the last winter while the snow was down... let's just say that even VDC couldn't begin to curb that scary feeling when you can't even keep the car in your own lane or you breath on the wheel wrong and it goes 90 degrees. I'm not out to scare you into not getting the car, and as you said you'd be getting a winter beater, I just want that thrown out there.
As for the TT... on a daily car it really is a PITA. That said for me the trade was worth it as I loved the pull and sound of that spinup. ('92 dodge stealth r/t TT, aka 3000GT VR4). However the trade off is, you need to be even more careful about ensuring your car is properly warmed up before getting the turbos to start spooling with any real boost, then you have to wait 2+ minutes every time for idle or a real casual cool-down drive period before shutting off the car to prolong the life of the bearings. (note a turbo-timer can fix that but, the car will still be idling while 'off') In addition to that, you're putting a pretty good strain on the entire drivetrain and *may* wear parts out quicker especially if you haven't built everything up. Also, watch that already poor MPG fall even further if you have a lead foot, if you even care about that :P
I'm only pointing out the downsides. Honestly if you have the cash, the ability to get a side winter car, and play it safe and treat the car right... go for it! Don't forget to show us the end results when she's fully built.
As for the TT... on a daily car it really is a PITA. That said for me the trade was worth it as I loved the pull and sound of that spinup. ('92 dodge stealth r/t TT, aka 3000GT VR4). However the trade off is, you need to be even more careful about ensuring your car is properly warmed up before getting the turbos to start spooling with any real boost, then you have to wait 2+ minutes every time for idle or a real casual cool-down drive period before shutting off the car to prolong the life of the bearings. (note a turbo-timer can fix that but, the car will still be idling while 'off') In addition to that, you're putting a pretty good strain on the entire drivetrain and *may* wear parts out quicker especially if you haven't built everything up. Also, watch that already poor MPG fall even further if you have a lead foot, if you even care about that :P
I'm only pointing out the downsides. Honestly if you have the cash, the ability to get a side winter car, and play it safe and treat the car right... go for it! Don't forget to show us the end results when she's fully built.
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07-20-2008 | 07:53 AM
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im not trying 2 be mean or anything like that but it seems that you really need 2 research alot about what ur planning on doing and what system will work best. how much power do u really need? if u run alot of boost that means more money in ur engine building it up. dont worry bro i used to be the same way why get a t when u can get a tt and then i found my research button and found out what em i trying to accomplish. well i hope this helps
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07-20-2008 | 11:08 AM
Originally Posted by NoirKyouto
Eh I'll throw my two cents out there... One, why are you that interested in TT the coupe? (granted I understand the want more power, badass of a TT, ect) What I mean though is, what real benefit is it to YOU. Being that you live in the NE with horrible weather, a rwd coupe is about as pita as it gets for that area. I've taken my stock '05 6MT coupe to missouri and iowa over the last winter while the snow was down... let's just say that even VDC couldn't begin to curb that scary feeling when you can't even keep the car in your own lane or you breath on the wheel wrong and it goes 90 degrees. I'm not out to scare you into not getting the car, and as you said you'd be getting a winter beater, I just want that thrown out there.
As for the TT... on a daily car it really is a PITA. That said for me the trade was worth it as I loved the pull and sound of that spinup. ('92 dodge stealth r/t TT, aka 3000GT VR4). However the trade off is, you need to be even more careful about ensuring your car is properly warmed up before getting the turbos to start spooling with any real boost, then you have to wait 2+ minutes every time for idle or a real casual cool-down drive period before shutting off the car to prolong the life of the bearings. (note a turbo-timer can fix that but, the car will still be idling while 'off') In addition to that, you're putting a pretty good strain on the entire drivetrain and *may* wear parts out quicker especially if you haven't built everything up. Also, watch that already poor MPG fall even further if you have a lead foot, if you even care about that :P
I'm only pointing out the downsides. Honestly if you have the cash, the ability to get a side winter car, and play it safe and treat the car right... go for it! Don't forget to show us the end results when she's fully built.
As for the TT... on a daily car it really is a PITA. That said for me the trade was worth it as I loved the pull and sound of that spinup. ('92 dodge stealth r/t TT, aka 3000GT VR4). However the trade off is, you need to be even more careful about ensuring your car is properly warmed up before getting the turbos to start spooling with any real boost, then you have to wait 2+ minutes every time for idle or a real casual cool-down drive period before shutting off the car to prolong the life of the bearings. (note a turbo-timer can fix that but, the car will still be idling while 'off') In addition to that, you're putting a pretty good strain on the entire drivetrain and *may* wear parts out quicker especially if you haven't built everything up. Also, watch that already poor MPG fall even further if you have a lead foot, if you even care about that :P
I'm only pointing out the downsides. Honestly if you have the cash, the ability to get a side winter car, and play it safe and treat the car right... go for it! Don't forget to show us the end results when she's fully built.
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You also run the risk of using the turbo too hard and completely demolishing your engine by shooting a rod through or whatever.
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07-20-2008 | 01:03 PM
ur gunna need more like 8-9 grand not a "couple" What car do u currently own now that you can think you can handle a TT or and FI vehicle for that matter? You cant just jump into a car with 450+ hp and expect to drive it well. not to mention you will want to familiarize yourself with your motor and your car in general so your not bringing it to the shop and getting raped by them since u are some newb. Please read and research. Ive been doing it for 2+ years and the only FI i have had was on a sr20 motor swapped into my 240sx. these cars arent civics they are 20k+ cars that require expensive parts
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Originally Posted by nutt
im not trying 2 be mean or anything like that but it seems that you really need 2 research alot about what ur planning on doing and what system will work best. how much power do u really need? if u run alot of boost that means more money in ur engine building it up. dont worry bro i used to be the same way why get a t when u can get a tt and then i found my research button and found out what em i trying to accomplish. well i hope this helps
OP: Built motor is a must IMO.
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07-20-2008 | 02:54 PM
I have a few things to say.........
First, it is a lot more than a "few grand". A new twin setup installed is about 9k. With supporting mods, you'll be up to about 10-12k.
Second, who ever said TT for a daily driver is a bad idea is an idiot! I am a prime example that it is not a bad idea. 20k boosted miles and the biggest problem I have had is a vacuum line came disconnected off one of the turbos. 20 minute fix from a friend. With the JWT kit and I'm sure with most other kits out there for our car, you do not need a turbo timer. The only thing you do need to do is wait a bit till your engine is warm before you drive it hard, but that's the same even without boost. So whats the problem?
The reason why we don't need turbo timers is because the kits are oil cooled AND water cooled. They don't get hot enough to need a turbo timer. I drive hard as hell, turn off the car and it's fine. Have been doing so for a 1+ years, again 20k miles.
Third, with a low conservative tune, a built motor is NOT needed. Again, I am a prime example. 20k boosted miles on stock block and I red line at least 4 times a day. Also have seen over 5 autocross events and 1 track day with 5 sessions of 25 minutes each.
To the OP, if you're serious head over the forced induction forum and SEARCH SEARCH SEARCH. Also head over to: http://my350z.com/forum/forced-induction-182/
Most important, if you decide to do it, make sure you get it tuned right. A bad tune and you will scatter your motor. A safe tune and it last a long time with minimal problems. Just make sure you maintain it properly. I do oil changes every 3k miles on the dot.
First, it is a lot more than a "few grand". A new twin setup installed is about 9k. With supporting mods, you'll be up to about 10-12k.
Second, who ever said TT for a daily driver is a bad idea is an idiot! I am a prime example that it is not a bad idea. 20k boosted miles and the biggest problem I have had is a vacuum line came disconnected off one of the turbos. 20 minute fix from a friend. With the JWT kit and I'm sure with most other kits out there for our car, you do not need a turbo timer. The only thing you do need to do is wait a bit till your engine is warm before you drive it hard, but that's the same even without boost. So whats the problem?
The reason why we don't need turbo timers is because the kits are oil cooled AND water cooled. They don't get hot enough to need a turbo timer. I drive hard as hell, turn off the car and it's fine. Have been doing so for a 1+ years, again 20k miles.
Third, with a low conservative tune, a built motor is NOT needed. Again, I am a prime example. 20k boosted miles on stock block and I red line at least 4 times a day. Also have seen over 5 autocross events and 1 track day with 5 sessions of 25 minutes each.
To the OP, if you're serious head over the forced induction forum and SEARCH SEARCH SEARCH. Also head over to: http://my350z.com/forum/forced-induction-182/
Most important, if you decide to do it, make sure you get it tuned right. A bad tune and you will scatter your motor. A safe tune and it last a long time with minimal problems. Just make sure you maintain it properly. I do oil changes every 3k miles on the dot.