APS TT System
#47
Re: APS TT System
My guess is the 5AT is more popular, not that I'm biased or anything like that... The 5AT's manual-mode helps take the sting away from not having a 6MT.
I bought the G35 5AT when I discovered the local Infiniti dealer did not have a 6MT on the lot. The dealers seem to treat all requests for 6MTs as special orders. I'd say it's difficult to find new cars with manual trannies on all the lots... too many lazy drivers and/or too many bumper-to-bumper trips back and forth to work influencing what trannies get ordered for dealers' stock these days.
'03 G35s 5AT, Garnet Fire/Willow
Staggered 18" SSR GT1/Bridgestone PP S03
Eibach Springs/Sways, Stillen 2-pc BBK
Stillen Intake & SS Cat-Back Dual Exhaust
I bought the G35 5AT when I discovered the local Infiniti dealer did not have a 6MT on the lot. The dealers seem to treat all requests for 6MTs as special orders. I'd say it's difficult to find new cars with manual trannies on all the lots... too many lazy drivers and/or too many bumper-to-bumper trips back and forth to work influencing what trannies get ordered for dealers' stock these days.
'03 G35s 5AT, Garnet Fire/Willow
Staggered 18" SSR GT1/Bridgestone PP S03
Eibach Springs/Sways, Stillen 2-pc BBK
Stillen Intake & SS Cat-Back Dual Exhaust
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#52
Re: APS TT System
Well thanks for your info and it will be very interesting to see which trans model ultimately proves to be the most popular with FI..................no doubt the 6 speed trans TT G 35 would be a real nice drive.
Thanks
Peter
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small"><EM>Edited by aps on 09/08/04 11:05 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
Thanks
Peter
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small"><EM>Edited by aps on 09/08/04 11:05 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
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#56
Re: APS TT System
Peter and my fellow G owners...
I have spoken to Greddy, PE, and APS engineers directly responsible for the kit's development (David in the most latter case). As you know, I own the PE kit myself. I have researched each kit pretty extensively (albeit a little too late for the APS kit). If I had to rate each company and their products on a scale from 1-10 with respect to knowing the car, the amount of R&D they go through, the quality of their kit and components, it would be 5.5-6, 8.5, and 9.8, respectively in the order presented above and as they come out of the box (no mods). This is a price-is-no-object rating. There is a premium that you would be paying for APS, which is well worth it IMO.
APS in my opinion is the "end-all" company and TT system for our cars. The major difference, aside from the superior quality, is that the kit will be CARB approved from what i know. The only drawback of the kit, if not an advantage to many, is that it is not user-tunable (and there are conceivably ways around this if you so choose i suppose.). I am not sure I would want to touch it given how well their EM solution is (according to prelimiaary info).
If it were feasible.... i would honestly sell my PE and get the APS. If i were buying now.... there is simply no question that I would wait for the APS kit... however long it took. I almost want to sell my car and get a Z so that I can put on their kit ASAP (j/k, really, no flaming please ).
Do not get me wrong..,. the PE kit can be made to be nearly as good (take away the carb certification and an expected well-tuned EM system), as the turbo quality in both cases is superb. However, that would raise the cost of the PE a bit.
Out of the box - there is simply no competition. Of course, we are yet to see one in action... but comparing before-we-have-seen-one-in-action impression... well.. you know... PE nor Greddy come even close
I have spoken to Greddy, PE, and APS engineers directly responsible for the kit's development (David in the most latter case). As you know, I own the PE kit myself. I have researched each kit pretty extensively (albeit a little too late for the APS kit). If I had to rate each company and their products on a scale from 1-10 with respect to knowing the car, the amount of R&D they go through, the quality of their kit and components, it would be 5.5-6, 8.5, and 9.8, respectively in the order presented above and as they come out of the box (no mods). This is a price-is-no-object rating. There is a premium that you would be paying for APS, which is well worth it IMO.
APS in my opinion is the "end-all" company and TT system for our cars. The major difference, aside from the superior quality, is that the kit will be CARB approved from what i know. The only drawback of the kit, if not an advantage to many, is that it is not user-tunable (and there are conceivably ways around this if you so choose i suppose.). I am not sure I would want to touch it given how well their EM solution is (according to prelimiaary info).
If it were feasible.... i would honestly sell my PE and get the APS. If i were buying now.... there is simply no question that I would wait for the APS kit... however long it took. I almost want to sell my car and get a Z so that I can put on their kit ASAP (j/k, really, no flaming please ).
Do not get me wrong..,. the PE kit can be made to be nearly as good (take away the carb certification and an expected well-tuned EM system), as the turbo quality in both cases is superb. However, that would raise the cost of the PE a bit.
Out of the box - there is simply no competition. Of course, we are yet to see one in action... but comparing before-we-have-seen-one-in-action impression... well.. you know... PE nor Greddy come even close
#57
Re: APS TT System
I am very humbled by your post and I sincerely hope that the APS intercooled TT system lives up to your high expectations..............we at APS have a great deal of respect for the other tuning companies you mentioned (Greddy and PE) and also HKS................all produce very high quality products.
I believe that the longer development period for the APS TT system (though very frustrating as we would have liked to have been selling TT systems well before now ) has allowed APS the opportunity to produce a very complete TT package at a very affordable price.
Again thanks for your wonderful compliment and I look foward to hearing from some of you guys when the APS TT product is finally released in the states in approx 6 weeks time.
Thanks
Peter
I believe that the longer development period for the APS TT system (though very frustrating as we would have liked to have been selling TT systems well before now ) has allowed APS the opportunity to produce a very complete TT package at a very affordable price.
Again thanks for your wonderful compliment and I look foward to hearing from some of you guys when the APS TT product is finally released in the states in approx 6 weeks time.
Thanks
Peter
#58
Re: APS TT System
Wow. . .I gotta get on this!
Here's my huble $0.02, from a lowly 5AT owner, (who is NOT old btw) about requests: PLEASE make a dual intercooler setup! I hate to be the "**** in the cherios" type, but I can't stand those ugly aftermarket facias! One of the reasons the G looks so good is because it doesn't have the goofy "grin" like most of the cars out there. I've been watching TT kits be developed from the SSR. . .(uh, no comment) and the JWT kit, both of which have twin intercoolers, but the SSR looks a little suspect and isn't CARB certified, and the JWT is only for 6MTs. I've had SCs in the past, and want to avoid the screamin' banshee that lets everyone know that it's there. It would be awesome to have a stealth setup that would be able to blow the body kits off of the showy cars that are already out there. Plus, the typical cost of an aftermarket fascia is $1000 to $2000, which makes an already expensive TT kit look that much less pleasing. I also don't understand how a single intercooler would prevent restircted airflow into the radiator. . .wouldn't a centermount intercooler have more of a chance to block the centermount radiator? And doesn't most of the airflow for the radiator come through the grille rather than the two fascia scoops? As for 5AT owners, I think that there are plenty of us lurking around waiting for the right FI setup to come along. . .(with me at the top of the list!) :-D Please please please please (begging on hands and knees) do a 5AT with dual intercooler setup!!!!
Regards from CARB land CA,
drew the anxious
Here's my huble $0.02, from a lowly 5AT owner, (who is NOT old btw) about requests: PLEASE make a dual intercooler setup! I hate to be the "**** in the cherios" type, but I can't stand those ugly aftermarket facias! One of the reasons the G looks so good is because it doesn't have the goofy "grin" like most of the cars out there. I've been watching TT kits be developed from the SSR. . .(uh, no comment) and the JWT kit, both of which have twin intercoolers, but the SSR looks a little suspect and isn't CARB certified, and the JWT is only for 6MTs. I've had SCs in the past, and want to avoid the screamin' banshee that lets everyone know that it's there. It would be awesome to have a stealth setup that would be able to blow the body kits off of the showy cars that are already out there. Plus, the typical cost of an aftermarket fascia is $1000 to $2000, which makes an already expensive TT kit look that much less pleasing. I also don't understand how a single intercooler would prevent restircted airflow into the radiator. . .wouldn't a centermount intercooler have more of a chance to block the centermount radiator? And doesn't most of the airflow for the radiator come through the grille rather than the two fascia scoops? As for 5AT owners, I think that there are plenty of us lurking around waiting for the right FI setup to come along. . .(with me at the top of the list!) :-D Please please please please (begging on hands and knees) do a 5AT with dual intercooler setup!!!!
Regards from CARB land CA,
drew the anxious
#59
Re: APS TT System
If you want ot retin the OEM facia, you can have dual ICs added custom. Personally the FMIC APS provdes will flow much better than the twin arrangement. I prefer performance over fashion. In my book form should follow function. The least "obtrusive" facia out there to provide adequate flow for the FMIC is the Stillen Urethane IMO. So sorry to contradict your reuest , but APS , should "not" alter the basic FMIC arrangement . The few out there that care , can have q custom twin and pipes fabricated or go with JWT.
#60
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I agree that 6MT owners will in general be most likely to seriously mod the platfom. But I dont' buy the "age" thing.
Those over the age of 24 are more likely to possess the fnances for such serious endeavors. This is not a low budget addition, which when done correctly easily exceeds $10k.
Those over the age of 24 are more likely to possess the fnances for such serious endeavors. This is not a low budget addition, which when done correctly easily exceeds $10k.