Revolution Motorsports are just coming on board as an APS dealer right now - give them a little time and I'm positive they will be into the G35 and 350Z twin turbo installs big time.

Thanks

Peter

 

any aps dealers anywhere close to miami?

 

I was going to go APS but decided against it when the only aps dealer in Florida is in the central fl area and is not authorized to tune the engine management. Also they are a subura specialist....never worked on z or g

 

There is a very good shop close to Miami (approx 2 hours away) by the name of Japtrix - these guys seem to be very competent and work closely with one of our biggest US dealers (GRD in Chicago) so I recommend you contact Japtrix and chat to them about the APS turbo install.

Let me know if you have any trouble tracking these Japtrix guys down and I will then find the contact details for you.

Peter

 

Why would this APS dealer would on the Z or G? They are a specialist Subuaru shop.

Peter

 

I was not questioning why they don't work on Z's or G's.....my point is that the only authorized APS dealer in FL is a Subaru shop and they are not even AUTHORIZED UNICHIP TUNERS. So basically, no one in Florida can tune an APS TT or ST when ever it comes out. Yes, the system comes already tuned but if you want more power, APS is not the system you want unless you have a authorized tuner available.

Here is Japtrix's information. Keep in mind they can only install the system and pretty much any performance shop can do that though. Japtrix CAN NOT TUNE IT. If you go with the APS system you will be stuck with the out of the box tune. Maybe one day they will have an authorized tuner in FL. If your ok with that then I believe this system to be your best choice.

4401 Charlotte Street Unit D
Lake Worth, Florida 33461
Office (561) 963.8700
Fax (561) 963.8800

 

Firstly, let's agree that the APS TT and ST systems are delivered with pre-tuned engine management and produce awesome levels of engine performance - out of the box and plug-in. No further tuning is required unless significant changes are made to the engine's specifications such as low-comp pistons, high performance cam shafts etc. Then - and only then - is additional tuning required and it is our opinion that this tuning work should be performed by a highly experienced tuner on a load based dyno.

Additional tuning is required with any brand of FI system when you further modify the engine.

Japtrix works closely with GRD, a highly competent and experienced tuning business and they know Z's and G's very well. This is a very powerful relationship because each can lever from each other's experiences in installation and tuning work. Japtrix will have access to a good number of tuning maps developed by GRD that will most likely cater for most popular combinations.

Regardless of the FI system (PE, Greddy, HKS, Vortech, Procharger, APS etc) and engine management utilized, if you are going to modify the engine, you need a tuner who has the right diagnostic equipment, dynamometer and most importantly is highly experienced in tuning/mapping FI engines.

APS is always on the lookout for experienced tuners with the right equipment and best customer attitude. Over the past years, we have visited most tuning houses in the US and those that meet with our requirements are appointed. In some regions there is an abundance of tuners that satisfy our requirement and in others they are scarce. This is a situation that is not under our control but we continue our dealer efforts on a continual basis.

To suggest that the APS system is less tuneable than any other FI system is not factual. The point I am making is that with an APS Turbo system (Twin or Single), you start from a highly developed tuning data point. The technically demanding and time consuming tuning work has already been done for you. If you modify the engine with lower comp, bigger cams, ported heads, etc, etc, then the cost of finding a thorough tuner pales into insignificance compared to the total investment in the FI product and the engine build and parts.

To the best of my knowledge, the APS Intercooled Twin and Single Turbo systems are unique in both their high level of engineering and completeness of the total FI system - this is ideal for the guys who want turn key high performance and a known safe level of engine durability.

Bottom line, no matter what FI system is utilised, if you modify the engine extensively you will need a very experienced dyno tuner with a high knowledge of forced induction engines, this appies equally to all brands of FI, not just APS.

Thanks and sorry for the rant.

Peter

 

Peter,

I agree with everything you said, but the point I was making is if areddy14 wants more than the power the kit gives you with an out of the box tune, he will have nowhere to get it tuned. Not all people want more than 420rwhp, but the same is true that not all people want under 420rwhp.

Saying that japtrix will have several maps from GRD is misleading. The only maps that will be of use to guys in Florida is the 93 octane map and that again takes us back to the 420rwhp or so area. They can also use the 91 octane map but why would anyone in FL who has 93 octane readily available on every corner go with this map? Not to mention the rwhp would less than the 93 octane map.

The only other option is to drive the car up to GRD in IL or Brainstorm in CA. It seems that these are the only two performance shops you talk about when it comes to tuning the APS system. I am sorry to inform you that most people will not drive or ship their cars cross country to get them tuned if they are looking for more than your out of the box power levels. Building an engine is costly enough with out added another $2000 just to ship the car back and forth.

 

Fair enough though the same would be true of any other FI system and we would prefer that a stock engine (G35 or 350Z) is not tuned for over 400 WHP.

The reality is APS does not see this as a negative and I would much prefer to see stock engines running around 380 to 400 WHP as over this power figure runs the engine into the red zone, I would much rather guys not go higher than 400 WHP unless they are prepared to build a stronger engine.

True, of course you would run with the 93 octane map in Florida if the fuel is readily available.

There are many other dealers who can tune the APS system, SGP, dyno -comp, scott performance, etc, etc. The reality is you only need engine tuning if you modify the engine as discussed previously, you completely ignore this fact.

If guys build big HP engines with any brand of FI system, any of these products will require engine tuning. If there are shops in Florida who are highly qualified for this dyno tuning work then they can also tune the APS TT system, all they need to do is purchase the software from the US distributor - just like any other brand of engine management.

There's no need to continually single out APS products because all products face the identical issue in reality.


And they don't need to with the APS TT system. The way I see it, only the guys with internally modded engines face a potential tuning problem and if this tuning related issue can be truely sorted out with a Greddy, PE, HKS, Vortech system, etc, etc, then this solution equally applies to the APS turbo system.

With the APS turbo system at least the dyno tuner starts from well developed tuning data supplied by APS.

It sure is, the cost of any TT system and engine build will run most guys into $15k to $20k or more, in reality the tuning cost is absolutely insignificant by comparison.

Onlt those who want a mega HP car will face this issue and as the old saying goes if you play you pay.

Peter

 

Peter,

Answer me this question. If someone that lived in Florida was going to build there motor to go past 450rwhp with a APS TT which shop do you recommend they take the car to get tuned?

 

The same dyno shop that would be capable of tuning any high powered twin turbo car.

Peter

 

Let me translate that for you Peter.

Nowhere Gman. There are no unichip tuners in Florida period. So if you are going to build your engine you need to drive or ship your car out of the state of Florida.....sorry maybe one day we will have unichip tuners in Florida.

I am not trying to start anything. I think the APS TT is a great kit and I almost bought it. This system is ideal for people who want 400-420hp on a stock motor, but for people who want more power there are very limited shops that can tune the unichip if you have a built motor. I even called unichip directly and they said they are working on getting tuners in FL but have no idea when they will have some....maybe this year maybe not is what they told me.

You mislead the readers on this board by saying it would be no different than tunning the Greddy TT, PE TT, etc. Those systems don't come with a locked Unichip like the APS TT.

 

All the tuner has to do is order the software if he wants to tune the computer - that's not difficult to ask for.

Thanks for your kind words and I'd say that the APS TT system is ideal for up to 650 to 700 WHP if you have the budget to build and tune a decent engine.

All a shop has to do is order the tuning software - that is if he can actually tune an engine, the software without a true load based dyno and loads of tuning experience on FI engines is like a horse without a jockey imho.

I'm not misleading anyone - most other FI systems have no tuning computer in the base FI product - those that have some form of tuning device included are also locked without software as far as I know.

Peter

 

I'm not sure that;s mid-life...I'm 28 and felt the same way...see sig below

 

I know of several shops in Florida that can tune the Greddy Emange or the Split Second box. I still have not found one shop that has the software to tune the unichip,whether they can buy it or not, the fact remains that not one shop in Florida has this software. Maybe I just have not found one. Hey since you work for APS can you recommend a shop in FL that has this software?