I hear you. Great your looking out for fellow G owners. ........ Man, you still walking around with that laptop of yours. You just cannot put that thing down for a minute. You need to get your G back asap, 500+rwhp thats going to be insane. Do you even know what that feels like.

 

A week ago on anther forum, I implied that this was the reason why so many Greddy TT systems were experiencing engine failures. I even bet my left nut and you disagreed. Why the change in heart? You should have been a politician....you're just like John Kerry.....flip flopper!

Here is the post from the other forum. http://www.350zmotoring.com/forums/s...1&page=6&pp=15

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Originally Posted by Gman2004
I am willing to bet my left nut that if greddy sold their kits with an already tuned and locked unichip like APS does, you would not see "Greddy systems one way or another failing."



I'm not sure that that's entirely true though that's a completely different issue and I don't want to take this thread off topic.

Thanks

Peter

 

This is *very* old news, like 8-9 months old...

Providing top-notch, highly reliable base tuning maps right out of the box for stock engines is a very strong positive. "Forcing" a car enthusiast to tune a built engine at a competent, properly equipped shop is obviously *not* a negative. In the trade, that's what we call "looking out for your customers."

If there are no competent, properly equipped tuners in Florida that meet APS' standard of customer care, SHUCKS! Someone has more work to do. (Who among us here has all the jobs on his TO-DO list completed? Not I!) If there are competent, well-equipped shops in Florida, I'm sure these folks will work something out eventually. It's only a matter of time.

Peter may sound like a politician from time-to-time because he must always reply with diplomacy, especially on a public forum. Members here can ask the same question over and over. They can pretty much show their a$$ without negative repercussions. Peter, on the other hand, must *always* handle these arguments, even those with no merit, with utmost courtesy. Much to his credit, Peter has always maintained a professional demeanor. I appreciate the patience and dedication required to do that.

GMAN, if you know of any competent, well-equipped shops in your area, you might help "bring them into the family" with some introductions. APS and/or Unichip can take it from there. Until then, keep that great-tasting Florida orange juice flowing! Good luck all.

 

Wrong - it's the mapping and lack of true load based dynos that the main problem in some parts of the US, the tuning software it's easy to obtain for a professional tuning shop.

Peter

 

Thanks for those words of support.

The identical options he has with any other FI product - find a really competent dyno operator who hasplenty of tuning/mapping experience, I would if I had nearly $20k tied up in a built engine and twin turbo system.


Gman the identical situation applies to any forced induction product, if the engine is built and has many mods, lower comp, bigger cams, ported heads, etc, etc, the owner of the car still needs to find a competent dyno shop with a true load based dyno to tune the engine - no matter what engine management the owner intends to utilise.

Of course the degree of difficulty is identical for any other FI product - the dyno tuner needs to have a very thorough understanding of high powered turbocharged engines and plenty of mapping/tuning experience no matter what ECU product he chooses to utilise for tuning the air fuel ratio, ignition timing retard, and turbo boost pressure.

Peter

 

That's true for any FI product, not only APS. At least with the APS TT system all of the hardware is supplied in the base system to achieve your power goal without spending any additional funds on turbo hardware.

The base APS TT system straight from the box (and fuel system included) can easily deliver 450 WHP.

Only on the basis that the engine is heavily modified.

If you find an experienced tuner in your location who has plenty of FI tuning experience and a true load based dyno then all the tuner has to do is purchase the Unichip tuning software from the US Distributor.

Alternatively the tuner or the owner may prefer to utilise some other form of engine tuning product, the choice is simply yours to make.


The same tuning people could have easily tuned an APS TT system - all they had to do was purchase the tuning software to achieve the power levels you wanted. At least this way the tuner would have been starting from good base tuning data which is suplied in the APS twin turbo system.

Peter

 

peter, i m curious , i have a 03' sedan. it s 5at. what would the hp and tq numbers would be with the aps tt kit? what would be the safest psi on a stock engine without hurting the block.
thank for your time
nj

 

then, a few hours later...

arrgh! where is the smiley with the guy pulling his hair out?

 

Well if you live in IL and Tuan from GRD works on your car you could achieve this. The only APS TT I know in South Florida got his APS TT installed at Japtrix, which you recommend in an earlier post, and with the out of box the tune he dynoed 360rwhp. Not much he can do to get it to the 450rwhp or even 400rwhp with out Tuan here, huh?

 

Well if the owner has a forged engine built (forged rods and pistons) fits a low restriction APS TD exhaust and test pipes Tuan could supply a map which is good for approx 480 to 500 WHP.

Peter

 

Wow, funny you say that. Before I purchased my greddy tt, I emailed tuan per your recommendation, and I asked him if I purchased the APS TT from him could he custom map me a tune for 500rwhp and he told me NO. At that power level he would need the car to tune it.

 

APS has developed this tuning map for 93 octane fuel - if you have a built engine with forged rods and a comp ratio of around 9:1 then supplying a map to suit this combination will not be a problem in the future.

Peter

 

Sounds good Your previous post made it sound like it was already available though. No mention of it being available in the future Here read it again.

 

Wow, whats with attacking Peter from APS... I'm just happy that we have someone that is willing to back up their product and actually knows what they're talking about! You'll never see someone here from Greddy or Power enterprise on a daily basis.

Bottom line is, they did their homework. Rather than letting people tune their own system, they opted to have a safe system that is only tuneable by people that know what they are doing with the software so that they have less failures.

I can't wait to have my APS TT put on next week. Stay tuned.

 

Just pointing out Peter's inconsistant and misleading statements.