Stillen vs Vortech. Pro's and Con's
#61
03-22-2006, 04:39 PM
Originally Posted by ttrank
BeerViper-
Those are very good comments and it is nice you backed them up with the dyno too. It is one of the most smooth dyno's I have seen for the Vortech. For the money the Vortech still appears to be the best bang for the buck.
The only things I don't like about it are the lag (mostly because of my driving situation) and that you have to tap an oil line into your block to install it; that always scared me since I did the install myself. But is is a great kit and you don't have to change your hood. If the Stillen fit under the stock hood there would be a lot more of them on the road.
Let us know how your track trip turns out. When you do, please tell us the elevation since that can change things a lot. Good Luck!
Those are very good comments and it is nice you backed them up with the dyno too. It is one of the most smooth dyno's I have seen for the Vortech. For the money the Vortech still appears to be the best bang for the buck.
The only things I don't like about it are the lag (mostly because of my driving situation) and that you have to tap an oil line into your block to install it; that always scared me since I did the install myself. But is is a great kit and you don't have to change your hood. If the Stillen fit under the stock hood there would be a lot more of them on the road.
Let us know how your track trip turns out. When you do, please tell us the elevation since that can change things a lot. Good Luck!
#62
03-22-2006, 05:01 PM
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stillen.
Hey guys Im the guy who ran 12.9 1/4 in my g35 witht the stillen stage 2.
check out this post from when I first did it. I ran 3 time at 12.9 couldnt get 12.8. I went stage 3 and she feels even faster so hopefully I can get 12.8 or better. there are vids of aps tt and greddy tt. The video that was posted i actually ran a 13.1 I think. he beat me so I don't think thats a 12.9 run from that day. I ran 15 times that day and my worst was a 13.3.
https://g35driver.com/forums/forced-induction/81957-drag-vids-1-15-2006-fi-must-see.html
check out this post from when I first did it. I ran 3 time at 12.9 couldnt get 12.8. I went stage 3 and she feels even faster so hopefully I can get 12.8 or better. there are vids of aps tt and greddy tt. The video that was posted i actually ran a 13.1 I think. he beat me so I don't think thats a 12.9 run from that day. I ran 15 times that day and my worst was a 13.3.
https://g35driver.com/forums/forced-induction/81957-drag-vids-1-15-2006-fi-must-see.html
#63
03-22-2006, 05:27 PM
Originally Posted by pdjafari
trank isnt the oil line tap at/near the oil pan?? maybe I am mistaken but I agree the block must be tapped but I assumed it was at the oil pan?? I wonder if you were to go back to stock how much replacing the pan would be parts/labor IF in fact thats what is being tapped into....I recall reading the Vortech install manual....but could be wrong....
#64
03-22-2006, 08:42 PM
I'm no FI expert, just commenting on things I've read. People like to point out the problems some vortech g's have seen getting into the 12s. I would be frustrated if I had that power and couldn't get into the 12's, especially when there are a number of NA z's doing that, but what are the traps for these guys? IIRC, Neffster was trapping on the order of 112, which is *plenty* to be in the 12's, if driven correctly.
What were your traps in the 12's and low 13's?
What were your traps in the 12's and low 13's?
#65
03-22-2006, 08:49 PM
Well I do know that with the amount of power the vortech pushes out it can be a problem of getting traction, I have spun tires in 1st and 2nd gear with the VDC off. It may be more of learning how to accelerate smoothly and then applying full thorttle once traction is gained.
One reason why I do not run from a stop when racing due to spinning tires for a few seconds.
One reason why I do not run from a stop when racing due to spinning tires for a few seconds.
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03-22-2006, 09:03 PM
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I always said you have to look at trap speeds, not times due to traction. A constant trap of 110 mph for a rear wheel drive car will tell how much power the
car is making. All wheel drive cars will have much better ET's, but similiar traps. The one thing that sold me on the Vortech is that it's making stock G hp and torque as little as 4000 rpm. There are way more Vortech 350z, so check out my350z.com for more dynos.
car is making. All wheel drive cars will have much better ET's, but similiar traps. The one thing that sold me on the Vortech is that it's making stock G hp and torque as little as 4000 rpm. There are way more Vortech 350z, so check out my350z.com for more dynos.
#67
03-22-2006, 10:23 PM
Originally Posted by trey.hutcheson
I'm no FI expert, just commenting on things I've read. People like to point out the problems some vortech g's have seen getting into the 12s. I would be frustrated if I had that power and couldn't get into the 12's, especially when there are a number of NA z's doing that, but what are the traps for these guys? IIRC, Neffster was trapping on the order of 112, which is *plenty* to be in the 12's, if driven correctly.
What were your traps in the 12's and low 13's?
What were your traps in the 12's and low 13's?
What did Neffster drive when he was trapping 112mph?
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03-22-2006, 10:48 PM
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03-22-2006, 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Skyline_G35
This doesn't exactly answer your question, but I just saw a video of the Stillen Stage 4 on the g35 coupe run a 13.266 at 105.05. I believe this is Toptoneone SC coupe. He stated in one of his posts that he has gotten a 12.9, but doesn't state his speed. Also he is at higher than sea level elevation.
What did Neffster drive when he was trapping 112mph?
What did Neffster drive when he was trapping 112mph?
The TT Z's I race usally trap 115. I need more speed to get in 11's. Probably isnt going to happen . Hopefully stage 4 gets me close. If I can get a 12.5 at higher altitude Ill be pretty happy with my reliable setup.
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#70
03-23-2006, 12:09 AM
Originally Posted by Skyline_G35
What did Neffster drive when he was trapping 112mph?
https://g35driver.com/forums/showthr...t=68483&page=4
#71
03-23-2006, 12:47 AM
Originally Posted by codeflux
you guys make me want to get Vortech even more. urban, can i ask for a ride in your G? are you coming to the Santa Cruz run on April 1st? 
I am dropping to the 2.87 pulley very soon as my new FMIC should be in hopefully before the meet, I am aiming for 450 to the wheels and with a new setup some of us are working on we may be able to get full boost by 4500
I love FI
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03-23-2006, 01:19 PM
#73
03-23-2006, 03:42 PM
Originally Posted by BeerViper
The oil tap is in the stock oil pan...
I have read in numerous places including from Vortech directly that says you should NOT put the tap in the oil pan. That does not mean that people don't have it there it just is what the manufacturer says. I do not have the links to the threads but you can search for them or I will later when I have time.
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03-23-2006, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ttrank
I have read in numerous places including from Vortech directly that says you should NOT put the tap in the oil pan. That does not mean that people don't have it there it just is what the manufacturer says. I do not have the links to the threads but you can search for them or I will later when I have time.