should i look into the APS ST?
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Originally Posted by Gman2004
I am just going off APS because that's what you said you were considering.
APS ST $6K as mentioned above.
APS TT $7,400
Install on ST about $1,200 to $1,500
Install on TT about $2,000 to $2,500
The difference will be about $2,200 to $2,500 more. I gaurantee you will lose more money if you buy the ST and then upgrade to a TT.....double install, resale loss on ST and support mods, etc.
I didn't factor in gauges or exhaust cause they will cost the same for TT or ST.
APS ST $6K as mentioned above.
APS TT $7,400
Install on ST about $1,200 to $1,500
Install on TT about $2,000 to $2,500
The difference will be about $2,200 to $2,500 more. I gaurantee you will lose more money if you buy the ST and then upgrade to a TT.....double install, resale loss on ST and support mods, etc.
I didn't factor in gauges or exhaust cause they will cost the same for TT or ST.
Gmann great break down couldn't have said it better myself....not to mention you get TWICE the fun from twins, TWICE the spool from twins, TWICE the wastegate flutter from twins, TWICE the "OH **** THIS IS SSSOOOOO FAST" feeling from twins. Imean what's not to love. I'd buy a TT based on those reasons alone.
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thanks tig, helps alot since u had both.
now on the turbonetics ST kit, turbo-kits.com sells an upgrade package, so it would come with the kit and :
-Turbo XS UTEC
-AAM Spec II Fuel Return System
-Walbro 255LPH Fuel Pump w/ install kit
-(6) matched RC Injectors w/ Clips
-AAM Spec Plenum Spacer
if i got this extra package, would my car be a safe Daily Driver at around 400rwhp?
now on the turbonetics ST kit, turbo-kits.com sells an upgrade package, so it would come with the kit and :
-Turbo XS UTEC
-AAM Spec II Fuel Return System
-Walbro 255LPH Fuel Pump w/ install kit
-(6) matched RC Injectors w/ Clips
-AAM Spec Plenum Spacer
if i got this extra package, would my car be a safe Daily Driver at around 400rwhp?
Originally Posted by Gman2004
I am just going off APS because that's what you said you were considering.
APS ST $6K as mentioned above.
APS TT $7,400
Install on ST about $1,200 to $1,500
Install on TT about $2,000 to $2,500
The difference will be about $2,200 to $2,500 more. I gaurantee you will lose more money if you buy the ST and then upgrade to a TT.....double install, resale loss on ST and support mods, etc.
I didn't factor in gauges or exhaust cause they will cost the same for TT or ST.
APS ST $6K as mentioned above.
APS TT $7,400
Install on ST about $1,200 to $1,500
Install on TT about $2,000 to $2,500
The difference will be about $2,200 to $2,500 more. I gaurantee you will lose more money if you buy the ST and then upgrade to a TT.....double install, resale loss on ST and support mods, etc.
I didn't factor in gauges or exhaust cause they will cost the same for TT or ST.
also, i believe it includes a 12K/1yr warranty when you have it installed at a APS dealer.
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Originally Posted by G-Mony
are those quotes for install by APS dealers? i got a quote by one in CA being $3-4K. or is it cos my car is AT and AWDx?
also, i believe it includes a 12K/1yr warranty when you have it installed at a APS dealer.
also, i believe it includes a 12K/1yr warranty when you have it installed at a APS dealer.
What I quoted is what most shops will charge for a TT install. I could see paying $3K, but $4K is a ripp off IMO. $3K would be on the high end, but still fair.
As far as the warranty what does that include? Parts should be covered for 12 months regardless of who installs it. If the part was defect it should be covered no matter what.
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Originally Posted by G-Mann
thanks tig, helps alot since u had both.
now on the turbonetics ST kit, turbo-kits.com sells an upgrade package, so it would come with the kit and :
-Turbo XS UTEC
-AAM Spec II Fuel Return System
-Walbro 255LPH Fuel Pump w/ install kit
-(6) matched RC Injectors w/ Clips
-AAM Spec Plenum Spacer
if i got this extra package, would my car be a safe Daily Driver at around 400rwhp?
now on the turbonetics ST kit, turbo-kits.com sells an upgrade package, so it would come with the kit and :
-Turbo XS UTEC
-AAM Spec II Fuel Return System
-Walbro 255LPH Fuel Pump w/ install kit
-(6) matched RC Injectors w/ Clips
-AAM Spec Plenum Spacer
if i got this extra package, would my car be a safe Daily Driver at around 400rwhp?
That would put you at around $7,400. I don't get it. The ST turbo is an option over a S/C not a TT. For the same price you could get a TT. Again I am not knocking the TN because it performs very well, but for the same price I would rather have something that has more potential to grow.
Originally Posted by Gman2004
What I quoted is what most shops will charge for a TT install. I could see paying $3K, but $4K is a ripp off IMO. $3K would be on the high end, but still fair.
As far as the warranty what does that include? Parts should be covered for 12 months regardless of who installs it. If the part was defect it should be covered no matter what.
As far as the warranty what does that include? Parts should be covered for 12 months regardless of who installs it. If the part was defect it should be covered no matter what.
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Originally Posted by Gman2004
Yes that would be safe for 400whp.
That would put you at around $7,400. I don't get it. The ST turbo is an option over a S/C not a TT. For the same price you could get a TT. Again I am not knocking the TN because it performs very well, but for the same price I would rather have something that has more potential to grow.
That would put you at around $7,400. I don't get it. The ST turbo is an option over a S/C not a TT. For the same price you could get a TT. Again I am not knocking the TN because it performs very well, but for the same price I would rather have something that has more potential to grow.
I am still with Gmann on this one, there is no way Icould see throwing out $7,400 on an ST!!!! An APS TT would run you about the same damn thing and you could throw down over 400 all day long and when the time came increase boost and VIOLA!!! 480-500 hp it's that simple. Try doing that to a SIngle turbo setup and see how long that overworked, undersized turbo lasts with that much power.
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Originally Posted by tig488
you can just get the basic turbonetics setup, or the aps single, and have 400 safe rwhp. thats around 5-5.5k.
Originally Posted by hyperlitesmu
I am still with Gmann on this one, there is no way Icould see throwing out $7,400 on an ST!!!! An APS TT would run you about the same damn thing and you could throw down over 400 all day long and when the time came increase boost and VIOLA!!! 480-500 hp it's that simple. Try doing that to a SIngle turbo setup and see how long that overworked, undersized turbo lasts with that much power.
Originally Posted by tig488
beastie, why not throw a little shot of nitrous on there with the turbo!
You can get a Greddy TT for $6200 with intercooler and add better engine management.
Or you can go with an APS TT kit for $7500 and add nothing.
Or you can get a Vortech and add enginemanagement,fuel pump,injectors and return system..Its a world of options...
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yall suck, now im thinkin of the TT.
what exhaust would be best with the APS TT? i would really like a Ti exhaust b/c i love the way they look. just a preference though.
what exhaust would be best with the APS TT? i would really like a Ti exhaust b/c i love the way they look. just a preference though.