so, i am startin to think vortech, bc i really dont want to have problems and with all of them popping up on peoples kits it scares me. vortech would be sweet, but im scared to spend the cash on that then decide i shoulda gotten a turbo. so what about the APS ST? i havent heard problems on those since the boost leaks but i heard they solved them right?
do you guys think i should go with the APS ST over the vortech?

 

your choice homie. i can only tell you of my experience with the aps st. i had one of the first batches, and did not have any of the problems some of the people had with the system. i did have the boost bleed off but it was corrected by using the jic 3-inch system. at 9psi, i put 385whp down with a 10.5 a/f ratio. i'm in the process of installing cams, upping the boost and going utec. that way i can have a street map( hopefully 420-plus) and a race map(hopefully 460 plus). i like the flexibility of the system and how clean the install is. research all the kits out there becuase all of them have pros and cons. pm me if you have any questions abou the aps system.

 

hell yea

 

I have had a bad experience with the APS kit but if you have an authorized APS shop to do the install you might have better luck than me.

 

Why go single when you can have TWINS. Twice the fun of single, with half the spool time.


I'm just messing with ya. Power for the money there is no question a single turbo will get you there. I drove a Vortech SC G and then when straight from that to my TT set up G and the difference is night and day. In terms of how fun they are to drive it's Turbo hands down, the spool the kick in the pants of power, the huge torque increase. It is truly a blast. That's why more than a few people on these boards are making the switch to Turbo from an SC. the thing to really not cut cost on are THE INSTALL and THE TUNE. With a turbo, most problems involve oil or something oil related, seals, return lines, leaks, etc. With a solid install the leaks and minor issues turbos face will be minimized. The tune is also important (especially if you don't plan on going with a UTEC or at least a reflash). The last thing you want is to hit some knock and your ECU switch maps in the middle of a high boost run....that will be an expensive replacement. But the ST system is cheaper than the TT system but spending the extra on a tune and a good install are where you will see the difference between enjoying your system or hating it from day one.

All that said. EXPECT PROBLEMS! There will always be one or 2 things that will not be prefect the first run through so be ready to get either a re-tune or some parts re-fit or something along those lines. Just try not to let is nickel and dime you to death. But FI is great fun and will embarrass some pretty nice cars on the road!

 

How much does the APS ST run, and how long is the install time?

 

I honestly don't know why anyone would go with an SC over a ST, unless they're that much cheaper. If you get an authorized APS dealer to install it, you should have little or none but no more potential problems than a SC.

 

Hyperlitesmu, I couldn't agree more! Search more about these kits and you will see there are $1000s of $ in hidden cost.

I paid $6k for my APS ST shipped and ~$1200 for install and then another $8k in fixing the install issues and buying better parts. I would suggest getting the tuner kit and strongly suggest, no insist, you go to an authorized APS dealer like GRD if you get the APS kit. If I had it to do all over again I would have bought a Greddy TT from Sharif and had him install/tune it. This kit provides way more potential power and is about the same cost as the APS ST.

 

yea if i did get the APS, id make the trip to houston to SGP racing, ive heard good things about them and their prices arent bad either

 

SGP is a great shop. I shipped my car to them and I couldn't be happier.

As far as the ST I recommend getting a TT kit. Look around at how many ST guys are now buying cams, exhaust, boost controllers, UTEC, etc in a quest for more power. With all the money they are spending they could have bought a TT and just retuned it for more power. If you are absolutely sure you will not want more power then what the ST can provide it is one of the the best bangs for the buck, but the TT is not that more expensive and will allow you to go for more power with out having to upgrade things.

 

nah, im lookin for 380-420. maybe in a couple years i will go with a build and TT, right now i will be happy with a single

 

that's what I am talking about why buy a ST pay for an install and then a couple years later buy a TT? IMO is just better to get the TT run it at stock boost or boost it a little higher and then build a couple years later. This way you are not stuck with selling a ST and supporting mods, like a ST exhaust. You will loose thousands. Believe me I went down this route only with a S/C and it wasn't years later it was week later. I am not slamming ST, but if you are going for more power later then why not just buy the kit that will get you there from the get go? A TT kit is not a whole lot more after all is said and done.

 

could u compare them for me(dont know the TT prices) like kits, misc gadgets, exhasts, install. isnt install a grand more also? im not sittin in money on this one, i have a budget.

 

If you are already talking about a motor build, you obviously want to make BIG power and the best solution is definately TT like Gman said. Once the motor is built, rather than switching to TT and selling the ST for a huge loss......you simply increase the boost and drive off +100 hp.

 

I am just going off APS because that's what you said you were considering.

APS ST $6K as mentioned above.
APS TT $7,400

Install on ST about $1,200 to $1,500
Install on TT about $2,000 to $2,500

The difference will be about $2,200 to $2,500 more. I gaurantee you will lose more money if you buy the ST and then upgrade to a TT.....double install, resale loss on ST and support mods, etc.

I didn't factor in gauges or exhaust cause they will cost the same for TT or ST.