VDC rant
#31
I don't know what the MT VDC is like, that's true. That said, the whole thing reminds me very much of the Porsche forums, where people consistently want to turn off PSM.
That said, on track days, almost everybody drives faster with PSM than on PSM-disabled cars the exceptions consisting almost entirely of people who spend enough time on the track to own track-only cars.
But even ignoring that fact, going from a good street driver to an educated track driver will give you 15 seconds off a two minute lap. Spending a huge amount of time analyzing lines will get you another 10 seconds off. And PSM will get you maybe a second on a lap. I'm guessing VDC is about the same. If it's really painful, maybe it'll get you 2 or 3.
I think my main point is, if you want to go faster, sign up for some classes and some track time.
That said, on track days, almost everybody drives faster with PSM than on PSM-disabled cars the exceptions consisting almost entirely of people who spend enough time on the track to own track-only cars.
But even ignoring that fact, going from a good street driver to an educated track driver will give you 15 seconds off a two minute lap. Spending a huge amount of time analyzing lines will get you another 10 seconds off. And PSM will get you maybe a second on a lap. I'm guessing VDC is about the same. If it's really painful, maybe it'll get you 2 or 3.
I think my main point is, if you want to go faster, sign up for some classes and some track time.
#32
Originally Posted by EncoreCestMoi
You're the second in this thread to post that they like to keep vdc on all the time and coincidentally both of you have AT's. Actually I don't think it is a coincidence at all. I think the vdc experiance on an MT is very different from the experiance on an AT.
Or maybe it's just that MT people are control freaks and don't want the car to do anything on it's own.
Or maybe it's just that MT people are control freaks and don't want the car to do anything on it's own.
Originally Posted by yggdrasil
Or at a minimum, a few years in auto-x.
My goal, generally, is to push the car as far as I can, WITHOUT setting off the VDC. By driving with this mentality, I've learned the limits of the car, without actually going past it. You can't set off the VDC unless youre on either of the pedals; VDC requires input on either pedal to set off.
I won't drive with the VDC off unless I'm in a controlled environment where I can't hurt myself or anyone else.
Last edited by mIKE; 04-25-2008 at 04:19 PM.
#33
Originally Posted by Mike@RiversideInfiniti
The VDC itself is identical AFAIK. It's just *much* easier to trigger with something as simple as a hard shift. Anything more than a slight slight chirp will set it off and you lose power; this isn't really possible in a AT unless you have a built tranny.
I won't drive with the VDC off unless I'm in a controlled environment where I can't hurt myself or anyone else.
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Originally Posted by EncoreCestMoi
You're the second in this thread to post that they like to keep vdc on all the time and coincidentally both of you have AT's. Actually I don't think it is a coincidence at all. I think the vdc experiance on an MT is very different from the experiance on an AT.
Or maybe it's just that MT people are control freaks and don't want the car to do anything on it's own.
Or maybe it's just that MT people are control freaks and don't want the car to do anything on it's own.
#35
#36
i find the only time the vdc really interferes is in the winter, though at other times i'm glad it's there.
my main complaint is that you can't turn it off while it's engaged, for example, hit deep slush on the highway, and the vdc cuts power and brings you almost to a stop, while the traffic behind you honks annoyedly. usualy you apply gentle throttle to maintain momentum so as to get through it, rather than stop and get stuck.
i'd like a momentary "bypass" switch, in the dead pedal or something, to just kill it in moments where you need to spin the tires, such as swinging the back end of the car away from some idiot trying to drive into it.
on dry roads i leave it on, rarely does the slip light ever come on, and when it does, it's usually a good thing, (patch of gravel or dirt on the road in a corner, for example).
my main complaint is that you can't turn it off while it's engaged, for example, hit deep slush on the highway, and the vdc cuts power and brings you almost to a stop, while the traffic behind you honks annoyedly. usualy you apply gentle throttle to maintain momentum so as to get through it, rather than stop and get stuck.
i'd like a momentary "bypass" switch, in the dead pedal or something, to just kill it in moments where you need to spin the tires, such as swinging the back end of the car away from some idiot trying to drive into it.
on dry roads i leave it on, rarely does the slip light ever come on, and when it does, it's usually a good thing, (patch of gravel or dirt on the road in a corner, for example).
#38
#39
The cool thing about the KPtechnologies module is that it doesn't just shut VDC off everytime you start the car, it only shuts VDC off if VDC was off the last time the car was shut off. It basically eliminates the "auto reset" of the system.
So, if you have it off, and it rains, you can turn it back on and it will stay on until YOU turn it back off again. Once it's off again, it will stay off until YOU turn it back on again, no matter how many times you restart the car.
EncoreCestMoi, if I'm not mistaken we got your module back late last week and you should have the repaired module by this weekend. If I have you mistaken with someone else please shoot me a PM so we can get your module working.
So, if you have it off, and it rains, you can turn it back on and it will stay on until YOU turn it back off again. Once it's off again, it will stay off until YOU turn it back on again, no matter how many times you restart the car.
EncoreCestMoi, if I'm not mistaken we got your module back late last week and you should have the repaired module by this weekend. If I have you mistaken with someone else please shoot me a PM so we can get your module working.
#40
Originally Posted by KPierson
The cool thing about the KPtechnologies module is that it doesn't just shut VDC off everytime you start the car, it only shuts VDC off if VDC was off the last time the car was shut off. It basically eliminates the "auto reset" of the system.
So, if you have it off, and it rains, you can turn it back on and it will stay on until YOU turn it back off again. Once it's off again, it will stay off until YOU turn it back on again, no matter how many times you restart the car.
EncoreCestMoi, if I'm not mistaken we got your module back late last week and you should have the repaired module by this weekend. If I have you mistaken with someone else please shoot me a PM so we can get your module working.
So, if you have it off, and it rains, you can turn it back on and it will stay on until YOU turn it back off again. Once it's off again, it will stay off until YOU turn it back on again, no matter how many times you restart the car.
EncoreCestMoi, if I'm not mistaken we got your module back late last week and you should have the repaired module by this weekend. If I have you mistaken with someone else please shoot me a PM so we can get your module working.
#42
VDC Need pedal input to work?
Originally Posted by Mike@RiversideInfiniti
My goal, generally, is to push the car as far as I can, WITHOUT setting off the VDC. By driving with this mentality, I've learned the limits of the car, without actually going past it. You can't set off the VDC unless youre on either of the pedals; VDC requires input on either pedal to set off.
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That is odd.
Me, I leave it on all the time unless I want to demonstrate that Civis are slow. And after the shift into second, VDC is back on...
#43
Originally Posted by mrdwaters
Is that right? So If I am cruising in a corner, in gear with no throttle input, and I hit some sand or whatever, and oversteer the VDC will not take action?
That is odd.
Me, I leave it on all the time unless I want to demonstrate that Civis are slow. And after the shift into second, VDC is back on...
That is odd.
Me, I leave it on all the time unless I want to demonstrate that Civis are slow. And after the shift into second, VDC is back on...
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