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Old 07-06-2011 | 03:22 PM
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Because making the change and developing it would not be worth it when the cost would jump a large amount and nobody would be willing to buy the car anymore. How many people are going to pick an infiniti over the price of a nice mercedes or bmw? Infiniti isn't that far currently.
 
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Old 07-06-2011 | 03:35 PM
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Because making the change and developing it would not be worth it when the cost would jump a large amount and nobody would be willing to buy the car anymore. How many people are going to pick an infiniti over the price of a nice mercedes or bmw? Infiniti isn't that far currently.
Because a GT-R based Infiniti G would outperform pretty much any BMW or Mercedes for waaaaay less money.

For people buying the name (Ferrari, AMG, BMW M) they are never going to be persuaded by price or performance. But for someone interested in price and performance the GT-R is the best in the world. An Infiniti with GT-R guts would be one of the best performing, best looking cars in the world at the price of cars that we all see on the street all the time, think BMW 7 series or big Mercs or Jags.....there are a lot of $100k cars on the street.

A GT-R based Infiniti would also be about $100k, but it would be a better performer than the $200k and $300k cars. There would be a market for them. The LF-A is over $300k and performs no better than $200 cars (or the GT-R for that matter) and even though they only made 500, they're already sold. I think Infiniti would sell 3-4 thousand GT-R based G's in a heartbeat.

The marketing buzz would be HUGE.
 
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Old 07-06-2011 | 03:59 PM
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i think there would be enough buzz to sell a few hundred. Also if we are talkin LFA i read that so much R&D went into them that even at 400k they are not making money off them. An Infiniti based gtr would be awesome but you dont need one IMO. The GTR is the engineering holy grail in its own. Toyota doesnt have a supercar that the LFA was based off of so why should infiniti use nissan's? Also theres no point to making one bc it would compete with itself. Also a GTR based G is out of the range in price and performace then if you were to fabricate a M3 beating G56. The VR38deTT is the engine God would put in a car and therefore has the price to match. the engine thats in the M56 is not that expensive or delicate. a v8 in a G body with parts to handle the power for 60-65k would be a game changer: luxury, class, performance, easy on the wallet, and you wouldnt break the ****-o-meter like you would if you drove a beamer (for those of you that watch topgear).
 
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Old 07-06-2011 | 04:06 PM
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The GT-R based G would not compete with a G37-ish car because there would be a price difference of more than double. (The same dichotomy exists with Corvette and they sell both the high and low end 'Vettes just fine.

And I really don't understand why people say a GT-R based Infiniti G wouldn't sell. The Jaguar XK-R sells, right? That's a 500+ HP luxury coupe that starts at $96k (and up to $132k!!!). There is one parked on the street two houses down from me. And it would not hold a candle to the GT-R based G in terms of performance. Sure, there's the Jaguar prestige element....but there's also the poor reliability and quality of Jag also.
 
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Old 07-06-2011 | 04:12 PM
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Because a GT-R based Infiniti G would outperform pretty much any BMW or Mercedes for waaaaay less money.

For people buying the name (Ferrari, AMG, BMW M) they are never going to be persuaded by price or performance. But for someone interested in price and performance the GT-R is the best in the world. An Infiniti with GT-R guts would be one of the best performing, best looking cars in the world at the price of cars that we all see on the street all the time, think BMW 7 series or big Mercs or Jags.....there are a lot of $100k cars on the street.

A GT-R based Infiniti would also be about $100k, but it would be a better performer than the $200k and $300k cars. There would be a market for them. The LF-A is over $300k and performs no better than $200 cars (or the GT-R for that matter) and even though they only made 500, they're already sold. I think Infiniti would sell 3-4 thousand GT-R based G's in a heartbeat.

The marketing buzz would be HUGE.
Why would they want to put out something that is essentially a GTR from infiniti when they already launched the GTR? Unless it is substantially different, not just more luxury or w/e, it would just be competing against the GTR. In which case at that price tag the GTR would most likely lose a lot of sales as people bump up to infiniti.

And despite our love for infiniti, they are still too new to the luxury/performance brand. It doesn't matter if it performs well or not, it still has a huge disadvantage vs the established bmw/mercedes/etc brands.

It would be a huge gamble, sure there would be a lot of talk about it, but that doesn't mean sales. Obviously the brand isn't at a point where this is a viable option or else they would have already being doing it. They have a ton of great marketers and engineers to discuss with and obviously they believe it isn't a good idea to try to make that jump prematurely.
 
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Old 07-06-2011 | 04:21 PM
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Jesus what a horrible thread, everyone just talkin' out of their @sses on why they want a company to build a car they wouldn't buy. if you're really interested in what would make sense to build, it'd be an M56 coupe w/hybrid power and maybe a G56 sedan.
 
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Old 07-06-2011 | 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by SDGenius
Jesus what a horrible thread, everyone just talkin' out of their @sses on why they want a company to build a car they wouldn't buy. if you're really interested in what would make sense to build, it'd be an M56 coupe w/hybrid power and maybe a G56 sedan.
Yawn.
 
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Old 07-06-2011 | 04:29 PM
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Jesus what a horrible thread, everyone just talkin' out of their @sses on why they want a company to build a car they wouldn't buy. if you're really interested in what would make sense to build, it'd be an M56 coupe w/hybrid power and maybe a G56 sedan.
+1 for the bad thread haha. -1 for the hybrid
 
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Old 07-06-2011 | 04:47 PM
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+1 for the bad thread haha. -1 for the hybrid
adding 100hp and even more tq w/an electric motor makes sense
 
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Old 07-06-2011 | 04:49 PM
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Yawn.
yeah, cause a slower, more expensive version of a GT-R would be so AWESOME
 
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Old 07-06-2011 | 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by N80
Because a GT-R based Infiniti G would outperform pretty much any BMW or Mercedes for waaaaay less money.

For people buying the name (Ferrari, AMG, BMW M) they are never going to be persuaded by price or performance. But for someone interested in price and performance the GT-R is the best in the world. An Infiniti with GT-R guts would be one of the best performing, best looking cars in the world at the price of cars that we all see on the street all the time, think BMW 7 series or big Mercs or Jags.....there are a lot of $100k cars on the street.

A GT-R based Infiniti would also be about $100k, but it would be a better performer than the $200k and $300k cars. There would be a market for them. The LF-A is over $300k and performs no better than $200 cars (or the GT-R for that matter) and even though they only made 500, they're already sold. I think Infiniti would sell 3-4 thousand GT-R based G's in a heartbeat.

The marketing buzz would be HUGE.
Why do all that work to overhaul everything to work with a v8, killing off part of your GTR market, when people are already paying $50k for a G with some cheap struts and a bodykit?
 
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Old 07-07-2011 | 12:17 PM
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A lighter weight track edition of the G would interest me more than more power.

But that's just me.
 
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Old 07-07-2011 | 12:21 PM
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Why not make your own "G56"? Well G57 or G61 with one of the LS swaps available?
 
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Originally Posted by notorious_g35
A lighter weight track edition of the G would interest me more than more power.

But that's just me.
it'z called a Z, lol
 
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Old 07-07-2011 | 01:34 PM
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Nissan did reduce the weight of the 370Z and increased HP what a great We don't need a V8 or an LS swap to make our Infinities more fun to drive, like I posted previously reduce the weight 100+LBS along with lowering the center of gravity. Nissan is smart, they just need our advice!
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