G35 Dedicated Track Drift car Introduction Pics and vids
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***Excuse the BAD synthaxe/grammar 3rd time writting this since computer keeps crashing ***
So let me introduce myself, My name is Yan and i represent a shop called Automotion. We are a bunch of friends that have hung out together for a few years and in the past 3 years have gotten into drifting quite seriously. Our top driver Marco Santos has amazed many in Canada and been the target of quite a few US sponsors however we have never had the chance until now to put something worthwile together. A 2003 G35 coupe 6 speed with brembo package! We did preliminary tests on track with the car on october 22nd and were truly amazed (vids and pics at the bottom) at just how good this thing is! We are all VERY anxious to get the car back out there for another run but winter is here
I came here in hopes of getting some help and advice from some of the more experienced G35 owners. I have done my reading and TONS of research on the car and know everything i could ever learn about the basics. From here on its what we teach ourselves and what R&D we can afford (none :P we have ZERO sponsors.....)
Our first order of business is what motor to choose. We have had large debates over this and we are all torn. No one knows what to do since we dont have an unlimited budget. The Vq seems to be an awesome motor in stock and mild modified form however we are having our doubts about how much abuse the thing can take. I have read up on VQs and know all their weak points and what needs to be done to be just like every other 500HP G35 however we can fabricate and dont really care for warranty or other perks which make 500HP liveable to everyday. Our only business is going sideways and without breaking the bank (SPONSORS WELCOME
) or the motor for that case. Our goal is 400-500WHP (400 minimum but prefferable along the 450-500Range)
So heres a list of a few drivetrain choices which we think would be up to the task starting with the obvious....
#1 SSR engineering VQ35DE Twin turbo kit
What can i say that you guys dont know. 350 lb/ft TQ at 2500RPM.....HOLY CRAP thats insanity. This level of TQ i have never felt before other than a viper and my g-d would that light up some 275 rear tires all day long. FLAT and REALLY nice Tq band all across the RPM. Turbo kit is great but the motor worries me. I have seen the block naked and it looks flimsy in comparison to RB and SR power plants. Open Deck needs to get closed up with a block off plate which to the best of my knowledge means resleeving the block with Darton sleeves or getting a custom plate made which we have the ressources for but still remains a daunting task. ++VQ sweet sounds and torque, OEM motor -- $$$, questionable strenght without serious $ dumped in, Space constraints during competition.
#2 N/a Response Machine VQ40DE
We have thought about using a Pathfinder 4.0 block with the VQ35DE heads making a 4.0. Of course we wouldnt stop there and would probably add high compression (13.0+:1) pistons and have the entire rotating assembly lightened. On top of that we would probably go for Individual Throttle bodies. Thing is we dont know how much HP this could make. We figure since i have seen 300WHP VQ35DE motors with EVERY possible bolt on possible a full race 4.0 with High compression pistons running race fuel should be able to make 400WHP - 450WHP. This is unchartered territory which is great for sponsors and to get people impressed but well same can be said for the developement part of it. It would however sound Ung-dly and from the videos i have seen of the Tilton clutch/Flywheel combo this thing would be Insanely response and have Huge amounts of torque at all RPM while maintaining AWESOME response. ++ Sounds, Uniqueness, Response, Weight, simplicity -- $$$ again, complicated, unchartered territory, tight work space.
#3 SR20DET
By far the easiest, Cheapest and most cost effective/ space effective solution. 2.2 stroker kit with a nice cool 450WHP would be great. Not as much torque as the VQ nor the response or smoothness but 1/4 of the price to assemble and put together. Besides the fact we know these motors for the past 5 years and have tons of spares, parts etc laying around. A few of them already on the scene drifting. Great motor for sure and seem to be a strong choice for now. +++ Price, availability, space, simplicity, experience ---Bah its a 4 cylinder instead of a 6, common motor so nothing special there.
#4 VG30DETT from Z32 turbo 300ZX
Ah back to the V6 but this time a 3.0! Cheap, easy to find parts for, SUPER well developped motor with gobeful of info everywhere, Keeps a V6 with strong tranny and 500WHP is NOT a problem for this motor even slightly built with just a set of forget pistons and rods! EASY to tune the ecu and just all around great choice for a motor.+++ V6 torque, easy 500WHP( more?) Availability of parts, strong tranny, developed ---Who the hell wants to see a VG30 drift? Space constraints, timing Belt, weight
#5 dreamer motor project.VH45DE or VH45DETT
whats cooler than a 4.5 high compression ITB'd V8 making 550WHP?
a 800WHP 4.5 V8 with twin GT30R turbos where the headlights use to be smoking 345 wide tires
Could be cool and Could be done but first we need good sponsors for something of the sort. Deffinately could be done though.
So there it is guys. Comments, Critisism, bashing cause were drifting a G35 SPONSORS, YES LOTS OF SPONSORS. Your all welcome to voice your opinion. I thought i would come here and find some cool guys since everyone seems friendly enough (ive been lurking here for a while).
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So let me introduce myself, My name is Yan and i represent a shop called Automotion. We are a bunch of friends that have hung out together for a few years and in the past 3 years have gotten into drifting quite seriously. Our top driver Marco Santos has amazed many in Canada and been the target of quite a few US sponsors however we have never had the chance until now to put something worthwile together. A 2003 G35 coupe 6 speed with brembo package! We did preliminary tests on track with the car on october 22nd and were truly amazed (vids and pics at the bottom) at just how good this thing is! We are all VERY anxious to get the car back out there for another run but winter is here
I came here in hopes of getting some help and advice from some of the more experienced G35 owners. I have done my reading and TONS of research on the car and know everything i could ever learn about the basics. From here on its what we teach ourselves and what R&D we can afford (none :P we have ZERO sponsors.....)
Our first order of business is what motor to choose. We have had large debates over this and we are all torn. No one knows what to do since we dont have an unlimited budget. The Vq seems to be an awesome motor in stock and mild modified form however we are having our doubts about how much abuse the thing can take. I have read up on VQs and know all their weak points and what needs to be done to be just like every other 500HP G35 however we can fabricate and dont really care for warranty or other perks which make 500HP liveable to everyday. Our only business is going sideways and without breaking the bank (SPONSORS WELCOME
) or the motor for that case. Our goal is 400-500WHP (400 minimum but prefferable along the 450-500Range)So heres a list of a few drivetrain choices which we think would be up to the task starting with the obvious....
#1 SSR engineering VQ35DE Twin turbo kit
What can i say that you guys dont know. 350 lb/ft TQ at 2500RPM.....HOLY CRAP thats insanity. This level of TQ i have never felt before other than a viper and my g-d would that light up some 275 rear tires all day long. FLAT and REALLY nice Tq band all across the RPM. Turbo kit is great but the motor worries me. I have seen the block naked and it looks flimsy in comparison to RB and SR power plants. Open Deck needs to get closed up with a block off plate which to the best of my knowledge means resleeving the block with Darton sleeves or getting a custom plate made which we have the ressources for but still remains a daunting task. ++VQ sweet sounds and torque, OEM motor -- $$$, questionable strenght without serious $ dumped in, Space constraints during competition.
#2 N/a Response Machine VQ40DE
We have thought about using a Pathfinder 4.0 block with the VQ35DE heads making a 4.0. Of course we wouldnt stop there and would probably add high compression (13.0+:1) pistons and have the entire rotating assembly lightened. On top of that we would probably go for Individual Throttle bodies. Thing is we dont know how much HP this could make. We figure since i have seen 300WHP VQ35DE motors with EVERY possible bolt on possible a full race 4.0 with High compression pistons running race fuel should be able to make 400WHP - 450WHP. This is unchartered territory which is great for sponsors and to get people impressed but well same can be said for the developement part of it. It would however sound Ung-dly and from the videos i have seen of the Tilton clutch/Flywheel combo this thing would be Insanely response and have Huge amounts of torque at all RPM while maintaining AWESOME response. ++ Sounds, Uniqueness, Response, Weight, simplicity -- $$$ again, complicated, unchartered territory, tight work space.
#3 SR20DET
By far the easiest, Cheapest and most cost effective/ space effective solution. 2.2 stroker kit with a nice cool 450WHP would be great. Not as much torque as the VQ nor the response or smoothness but 1/4 of the price to assemble and put together. Besides the fact we know these motors for the past 5 years and have tons of spares, parts etc laying around. A few of them already on the scene drifting. Great motor for sure and seem to be a strong choice for now. +++ Price, availability, space, simplicity, experience ---Bah its a 4 cylinder instead of a 6, common motor so nothing special there.
#4 VG30DETT from Z32 turbo 300ZX
Ah back to the V6 but this time a 3.0! Cheap, easy to find parts for, SUPER well developped motor with gobeful of info everywhere, Keeps a V6 with strong tranny and 500WHP is NOT a problem for this motor even slightly built with just a set of forget pistons and rods! EASY to tune the ecu and just all around great choice for a motor.+++ V6 torque, easy 500WHP(
more?) Availability of parts, strong tranny, developed ---Who the hell wants to see a VG30 drift? Space constraints, timing Belt, weight#5 dreamer motor project.VH45DE or VH45DETT
whats cooler than a 4.5 high compression ITB'd V8 making 550WHP?
a 800WHP 4.5 V8 with twin GT30R turbos where the headlights use to be smoking 345 wide tires
Could be cool and Could be done but first we need good sponsors for something of the sort. Deffinately could be done though. So there it is guys. Comments, Critisism, bashing cause were drifting a G35 SPONSORS, YES LOTS OF SPONSORS. Your all welcome to voice your opinion. I thought i would come here and find some cool guys since everyone seems friendly enough (ive been lurking here for a while).
Old And New cars
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Old Machine Drifting
Blown Rear tire
Action shots!
I think ive annoyed ya guys enough with pics
Now for the video!!!!No for mods on the car there in only two....No interior except for Dash and door panels and OEM cut springs. Stock everything else we had NO time yet to do much since we got the car on Thursday at 4 pm, stripped it completely by 6 pm and Painted /Slammed by 10PM. Reassembled the next day then off to a car show then week later when no parts had arrived off for the first day out. we NEVER drove the car before the FIRST time you see Marco drifting it. It was his first 30 seconds of seat time you see there and already he throwing iit HARD into the corners like a mad man. Now lets go guys i want honnest opinions, What do you think about the color, the driving, the car, our plans. DONT be shy!
http://www.efuzz.ca/pub/G35Drift.wmv
any sponsorship inquiries are welcome PM or Email me at yanohayon@hotmail.com
I thank everyone for looking and lets hope we can make this dream come true.
Yan
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Im definately loving the color choice you went with there. Ive wanted to do a green but a little darker.
Anyways. Sounds like an awesome project. I personally have the Greddy Twin Turbo kit on my car. These blocks, although aluminum, can take some serious punishment. I had a very loud distinctive detonation noise coming from my motor due to not tuning it after 6 months. I took my car to SGP, the best Nissan shop in TX, to have them look at it and rebuild it. They informed me that i might need a new block due to such a violent detonation, so they sent it to the machine shop to be checked out. The block came back and was still in perfect condition. There were no cracks or craters as reported by the machine shop. Basically im saying this motor can take the punishment. One problem you will run into with the VQ35 is that this motors rev limiter is a fuel cut rev limiter and with boost this causes detonation. Idk the ins and outs of drifting, but everytime i hear a car doing it i always hear them hitting the rev limiter. This is something you would have to fix or be careful of.
This seems highly unlikely, but check with Greddy and try to find out how they set up their VQ motor in the Falken G35 drfit car.
Theres my 2 cents. I hope this turns out to be an awesome project. I'll look for it in drift competitions.
Anyways. Sounds like an awesome project. I personally have the Greddy Twin Turbo kit on my car. These blocks, although aluminum, can take some serious punishment. I had a very loud distinctive detonation noise coming from my motor due to not tuning it after 6 months. I took my car to SGP, the best Nissan shop in TX, to have them look at it and rebuild it. They informed me that i might need a new block due to such a violent detonation, so they sent it to the machine shop to be checked out. The block came back and was still in perfect condition. There were no cracks or craters as reported by the machine shop. Basically im saying this motor can take the punishment. One problem you will run into with the VQ35 is that this motors rev limiter is a fuel cut rev limiter and with boost this causes detonation. Idk the ins and outs of drifting, but everytime i hear a car doing it i always hear them hitting the rev limiter. This is something you would have to fix or be careful of.
This seems highly unlikely, but check with Greddy and try to find out how they set up their VQ motor in the Falken G35 drfit car.
Theres my 2 cents. I hope this turns out to be an awesome project. I'll look for it in drift competitions.
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i've never claimed to know all that much about engines, but im learning so im going to leave that advice up to the others, but as far as the car goes, i think that as ya'll race it, it will get noticed. It is a very unique green and looks great on the car. Not to mention you are going to want get noticed so soon you can have some other people with the means paying for the R&D because you have provided them with the skill. As far as the driving, well damn. He makes it look easy and i know it isn't. The driving seemed top notch to me. The only in person drifting i have ever seen was at NOPI Nationals in Atlanta, GA and that was with the "ballers" of the sport. Ya'lls driving looked great. The car looks great. Keep up the great work and best of luck to you.
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NICE!! Ever since the first time I hung the rear out on my '05 coupe, I've thought to myself 'maybe drifting isn't so impossible after all!' It handles very flat and stable, even in OEM form.
Stick with it. While the SR24DETT is cost-effective, as you mentioned, I'd still love to see a NA pioneer pushing the limits. You should probably just turbo the VQ until you're forced into something else.
It handles very flat and stable, even in OEM form. Stick with it. While the SR24DETT is cost-effective, as you mentioned, I'd still love to see a NA pioneer pushing the limits. You should probably just turbo the VQ until you're forced into something else.
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NICE!! Ever since the first time I hung the rear out on my '05 coupe, I've thought to myself 'maybe drifting isn't so impossible after all!' It handles very flat and stable, even in OEM form.
Stick with it. While the SR24DETT is cost-effective, as you mentioned, I'd still love to see a NA pioneer pushing the limits. You should probably just turbo the VQ until you're forced into something else.
It handles very flat and stable, even in OEM form. Stick with it. While the SR24DETT is cost-effective, as you mentioned, I'd still love to see a NA pioneer pushing the limits. You should probably just turbo the VQ until you're forced into something else.
do you mean the SR20DET?
anyways. it would be very interesting to see a NA g35 drifting around the tracks. It would definately give ya'll the attention that you're looking for. As far as performance, i still think that you will be better off with a turbo application.
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NICE LOOKING CAR! why don't you talk to calvin wan from team falken? he drifts a turbo VQ G35 and it's rather nice. last time i saw the car it had the wrong sized piston rings so it was burning oil. i'm sure they've ironed everything out. because of the sound it puts out i thought it was an RB with custom Vmount intercoolers, etc. a turbo VQ sounds amazing! all of falken's cars make at least 500hp. i'm not sure if the SR is a good match for the heavy G35, but i think chris forsberg had an SRpowered Z33 for a short time after he blew up the SC'ed VQ. if you were to ask what the wave of the future is for drifting in north america i would say it would be a Z33 or G35 with an RB26 swap! i mean, it's becoming a hit in D1 japan. mildly modded, the RB can put out big numbers. so that will offset the high initial cost of the motor and custom mounts somewhat. i'm interested in what you guys will be doing in the future.
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Well we have TONS of RB knowledge too since 3 of our silvias have RB26 motors in them some with setups capable of making 700WHP. Great motor but iron block is HEAVY! and we would have to notch the firewall back quite a bit to properly fit the RB properly to our standards. Thing is this is season #1. we need to get a good sponsor that can then pay for all this because we could cut the firewall and stick the motor far back behind the dash as to get a better Front to rear clearance. n/a VQ would be cool as you said but were iffy about it and have yet to see another crazy HP were shooting for N/A VQ. More and more the VQ35DEtt seems to be winning out.
Considering i have seen 500WHP out of these VQ motors once built up and by what some of you have been telling me the strenght issue doesnt seem to be as bad as we thought once sleeved and built. Besides holy **** is that Tq curve A M A Z I N G or what? 350WTQ @ 2500RPM or wtvr blows my freaing mind!!!!Im gonna talk to everyone Monday and decide a time limit of final decision on the motor. My heart seems to be going towards the TT kit.
Considering i have seen 500WHP out of these VQ motors once built up and by what some of you have been telling me the strenght issue doesnt seem to be as bad as we thought once sleeved and built. Besides holy **** is that Tq curve A M A Z I N G or what? 350WTQ @ 2500RPM or wtvr blows my freaing mind!!!!Im gonna talk to everyone Monday and decide a time limit of final decision on the motor. My heart seems to be going towards the TT kit.
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very nice...keep it up...in the vid, are you bouncing off the rev limited all of the time? What gear are you mostly in? How much is it for that steering wheel conversion?
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Awsome video and pictures! Love the color, love the look... looks really hard core. I cant believe that was a stock G with only cut springs! And I also cant believe you guys just cut the springs to do that! haha! I'd love to see how it drifts with better suspension upgrades.
As for motor mods... Option number 2 would be VERY interesting to see! It reminds me of the the Honda Frankenstien set up. The built B20 with a B18vtec head. The results will be insane! On top of that, you might get the publicity for being the first pioneer to travel that route... and possibly become famous for starting a new frankenstien motor swap trend!!!
As for motor mods... Option number 2 would be VERY interesting to see! It reminds me of the the Honda Frankenstien set up. The built B20 with a B18vtec head. The results will be insane! On top of that, you might get the publicity for being the first pioneer to travel that route... and possibly become famous for starting a new frankenstien motor swap trend!!!
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Our steering wheel conversion was purchased from Impact Auto sport, A local shop. if you want his name is Sylvain and hes amazing and very helpful. Just tell him you want the steering wheel setup from the G35 he will know which to get you. 450-632-7227.
We are not bouncing off the rev limiter just the entire car is BOUNCING because of the cut springs so it sounds like we are on the limiter all the time. Not enough power thiough to bunch off the rev limiter
We are mostly in 3rd and 4th gear....THAT REMINDS ME what is up with the G35 gearing. 3-4 is like almost no difference! Is that normal or just Marco imagining thins. At higher speeds like around the oval hes top of 4th i know. Give it some time with the high HP on a few other track well be using 5th judging by the low end TQ this thing can generate when you give the VQ some *****.
Silverbolt: Thats why i love the option #2 n/a wild power. I dont know if you have ever heard a V6 with ITB's also. That stuff is WILD sounding and can be heard miles away. We also saw the AEBS kit making the motor a 4.3 which is also WOW amazing but its also extremely expensive. Honnestly the n/a setup is the most expensive setup of them all i am realising. Only time will tell and honnestly what kind of sponsors we can find.
Our steering wheel conversion was purchased from Impact Auto sport, A local shop. if you want his name is Sylvain and hes amazing and very helpful. Just tell him you want the steering wheel setup from the G35 he will know which to get you. 450-632-7227.
We are not bouncing off the rev limiter just the entire car is BOUNCING because of the cut springs so it sounds like we are on the limiter all the time. Not enough power thiough to bunch off the rev limiter
We are mostly in 3rd and 4th gear....THAT REMINDS ME what is up with the G35 gearing. 3-4 is like almost no difference! Is that normal or just Marco imagining thins. At higher speeds like around the oval hes top of 4th i know. Give it some time with the high HP on a few other track well be using 5th judging by the low end TQ this thing can generate when you give the VQ some *****.
Silverbolt: Thats why i love the option #2 n/a wild power. I dont know if you have ever heard a V6 with ITB's also. That stuff is WILD sounding and can be heard miles away. We also saw the AEBS kit making the motor a 4.3 which is also WOW amazing but its also extremely expensive. Honnestly the n/a setup is the most expensive setup of them all i am realising. Only time will tell
and honnestly what kind of sponsors we can find.
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Randy G:
Silverbolt: Thats why i love the option #2 n/a wild power. I dont know if you have ever heard a V6 with ITB's also. That stuff is WILD sounding and can be heard miles away. We also saw the AEBS kit making the motor a 4.3 which is also WOW amazing but its also extremely expensive. Honnestly the n/a setup is the most expensive setup of them all i am realising.
Silverbolt: Thats why i love the option #2 n/a wild power. I dont know if you have ever heard a V6 with ITB's also. That stuff is WILD sounding and can be heard miles away. We also saw the AEBS kit making the motor a 4.3 which is also WOW amazing but its also extremely expensive. Honnestly the n/a setup is the most expensive setup of them all i am realising.
The only other setup I'd personally like to see would be the TT45. Yeah, its monster... but it just doesnt seem to be as unique as the frankenstien motor. I really have no opinion of th SR20s. I'm a little new to nissan motors. All I know is that they have great potential. And since this road has been traveled for so many years, it seems like it would be the "easy" route... wheres the fun in that?
Only time will tell and honnestly what kind of sponsors we can find.
and honnestly what kind of sponsors we can find.
