Loren04Coupe-Your post actually kind of support the notion that many 6MTs are being sold by their owners. For instance you cite that 3 out of 9 used G coupes being sold in your area are 6MT. If I remember correctly, that's a much higher percentage (33%) of MT coupes to AT coupes than the actual production percentage (<10%). This means a greater percentage of MT owners are selling their coupes right?

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On a serious note though, I noticed that on the autos for sale here on this site too. Maybe at some point I will trade with somebody that bough an MT and thinks made the wrong choice and would like an AT instead. If I had to do it all over again I would have bough the MT. No regreats though I still love my AT but ..... if it wasnt for the MM feature I would have allready made the plunge to switch to MT and loose a lot of $.

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Exactly how I feel. I wish I could of done it all over again... BS or IP 6MT coupe =/ :sigh:

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Take into account ppl who aren't car enthusiasts buying the G in AT to drive as a normal car, they wouldn't be so quick to sell it back, right. Car enthusiasts might buy the car, have a fun time with it and move onto another car. Juss wht it seems to me..

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"It amazes me how you can post facts with real numbers and people just can't read or understand the basic numbers."
what's wrong with facts with real numbers?? what numbers are wrong??

"5 6MTs for sale in an area with 3 local dealers(2 are in the top 5 selling in the nation) and a population of 10 million is nothing."
sure 5 out of 10million is nothing but do you think 12AT coupes out of 10million is something?? i call 12 out of 10million is nothing also...

"Start looking at the number of Z06s or IS300s for same for the same area and the number goes up a lot more"
of course they sold a lot more than g... why you compare those cars to g? it doesn't seem to be fair... IS300 is nothing if you compare how many accords on sale... let's compare G to ferrari... what do you think now??

"If you do a nationwide search in Autotrader, there are only 22 6MTs for sale in the country. The equates to .3% of the approximate 7500 6MT coupes that have been built."
since you state 7500 MTcoupes then ATcoupe should be around 18,500(do the math) and i just searched autotrader and i found 57 ATcoupes(entire nation)... that comeout .3% also... you see? 22MT from 7500 doesn't impressive at all... but i'm impressive on ATcoupes being on sale only 57coupes from 18500 even though both are same %...

 

I think many 6mt owners have the wrong assumption that 6mt sell better than 5at. As they see their car as sporty coupe and assume most buyers would buy manual. The fact is more people see it as luxury daily driving coupe and decide to take AT. Like Tinman made the wrong assumption that "people drive sport car like stick.that's why AT outnumber by MT" The fact is, Infiniti sell more than double of AT than the MT.

 

Judging by the ratio of unsold AT models (quite a few) to MT models (mostly zero) in most dealer lots, and the numbers of buyers waiting for their MT to arrive, I believe Nissan badly miscalculated the proportion of buyers who opt for the MT. In the U.S., 90%+ of car buyers choose AT. If the current ratio for the G35C is indeed 2 to 1, that's 33% who opt for MT, a considerably higher percentage than the norm.

RainMeister
'04 G35C 6MT, brilliant silver, premium, nav

 

I'm talking about the car that actually "sold" (another word, FACTS). Not how many AT or MT they have in the parking lot. (Actually in my dealership you have to wait for few month for the 5AT) The only reason they ordered more AT from Japan is because it has higher demand than MT, and that is why they willing to carry more inventory of it. The only ratio you should depend on is not how many mt of at you saw in your dealership, it is what is the number of sales that nissan put out on its financial statement. Comparing ALL U.S. Cars AT:MT ratio is not a fair comparison. At least you should use the "AT:MT percentage on COUPES" Of course there will be less percentage on AT:MT ratio on G35 comparing with "ALL" cars in the country. Just look at how many family models car out there! Now try to compare the G35 Coupe's 66:33 AT:MT ratio with other coupes such as RX8, M3, or Mustang. You will find that G35C 6MT ratio is not considerably higher than other cars in its group. It is another way around!!! Comparing the MT:AT ratio on a coupe with ALL cars is just like comparing the speed of a motorcycle with a bicycle, and claim that "my motorcycle is very very very fast in two wheels, and two wheels include all the bicycle!" (although the fact that it may not be fast in its motorcycle category)

 

>>I'm talking about the car that actually "sold" (another word, FACTS). Not how many AT or MT they have in the parking lot. (Actually in my dealership you have to wait for few month for the 5AT)<<

My point was that Nissan had underestimated demand for the MT. Your local dealership may be totally out of G35Cs, but if you were to go to the Infiniti website to check most dealers stock, you'll find that there are no MTs while ATs are found in abundance. For example, go to Freshalloys' G35 forum, and check the stock list post by Riverside Infiniti. There are currently 25 or so G35s, all of them being ATs except for a used MT and a new blue MT. The ATs are exceeding demand relative to the MTs.

>>Now try to compare the G35 Coupe's 66:33 AT:MT ratio with other coupes such as RX8, M3, or Mustang. You will find that G35C 6MT ratio is not considerably higher than other cars in its group.<<

Unless those cars that you name are also "luxury daily coupes" rather than sports cars, you've just undermined your point about the G35C belonging to the former grouping.

RainMeister
'04 G35C 6MT, brilliant silver, premium, nav

 

i don't think infiniti underestimated demand of MT i think they are doing just right...
think about it.. by At to MT ratio, 7 people out of 10 want AT... if you were the owner of dealer, would you carry AT coupes or MT coupes more? i would give up those 3 people and concentrate on other 7people... and stock up all the AT with good options as possible and leave MT... why? AT owners don't willing to wait it's either buy today here or choose other dealers or cars.. but MT owners ARE WILLING TO WAIT FOR 3MONTHS.. why would they want to stock up MT if the buyers are willing to wait... hope this make sense... also keeping this way, MT will be sold for MSRP(since there is no gurantee that buyer won't back out at the last moment)...

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Why would Nissan or the dealers want to give up any sales, when they can make sales to 10 out of 10 people by properly balancing the production allocation of MT to AT cars so that it's consistent with demand? Why do you assume that prospective MT owners are more willing to wait than AT owners? This is still a very competitive market segment, and those just coming off of a lease, or those that want their cars now, will consider alternatives rather than wait months. For the price of a loaded G35C, one can get into a lightly optioned 330Csi, or a loaded RX8 for thousands less. You or I may be willing to wait on the G, but it would be arrogant of Nissan to think that most shoppers would wait AND have to pay MSRP. Of course, as you allude, it could very well be that Nissan is keeping the supply of MTs artificially low so that dealers can sell them at MSRP. Honda has used that approach for years with much success, to the detriment of us consumers.

RainMeister
'04 G35C 6MT, brilliant silver, premium, nav

 

woah! maybe i didn't make myself clear.. let me explain again...
giving up those 3people are just me if i were the dealers...but dealers doing what you just said... carrying large inventory AT while they do carry few MT... and about the waiting for coupes, i bet there are more people who waited than bought off from the lots especially MT... and they ARE WILLING TO WAIT...

 

Ok first of all, RX8 is in direct competition with G35C, but i don't think the MT:AT ratio will be any less than G35C. I didn't determined this, most car experts and magazines put them under the same category. Either way, you have to admit by comparing the MT:AT ratio of G35 with "ALL the car" is not a fair comparison. And that is the WHOLE point. (As in my previous example, by doing that is just like saying a crappy motocycle is fast 2 wheels because it includes all the bicycle!)

Secondly, This car been around for 2 years or so. If they did indeed underestimate the demand for AT:MT, they have already made the adjustment. Don't worry, they won't be dumb enough to still "underestimate" the ratio in the 3rd year of this car. For example, if the first two years you think you underestimate the G35AT sales, would you still order that much inventory for AT in the third year? The only reason they stock AT inventory is because they are easy to sell, and more in demand, period. I mean, the fact is the fact, and it shows on the sales sheet of Nissan considering the AT:MT ratio. And how many AT in stock in your local dealership, that little sample is just meaningless in term of statistic. Now, let me ask you a question, if you own a dealership, and you think you underestimate the AT:MT ratio, would you still do that and import as many in the "Third year after introduction?" I mean, this may happened in the first year, but if in the third year they still stack up the AT, the only reason will be it is easier to sell and higher in demand. And they won't be stupid enough to order as much AT in the THIRD YEAR if MT is really easier to sell (in other world, underestimate the ratio of AT:MT), Nissan do have economic experts that knows economic better than any of us.

 

oh my god you can't say that better!!! i was trying to say what you just said... next time i'll ask you to write for me..

 

>>Either way, you have to admit by comparing the MT:AT ratio of G35 with "ALL the car" is not a fair comparison. And that is the WHOLE point.<<

To what? You had earlier stated that "6mt owners have the wrong assumption that 6mt sell better than 5at. As they see their car as sporty coupe and assume most buyers would buy manual. The fact is more people see it as luxury daily driving coupe...." When I pointed out that the proportion of G35Cs with MTs are much greater than the average car sold here, you admitted that the G35C was more in the class of "other coupes such as RX8, M3, or Mustang" which anyone can tell you are sports cars. Your logic eludes me.

>>This car been around for 2 years or so. If they did indeed underestimate the demand for AT:MT, they have already made the adjustment. Don't worry, they won't be dumb enough to still "underestimate" the ratio in the 3rd year of this car.<<

The coupe has only been out for a year. During the first year of sale for the sedan, Nissan was dumb enough to have offered only the AT while proclaiming that it was a Bimmer beater, and the car mags and most of us enthusiasts criticized them for it.

>>And how many AT in stock in your local dealership, that little sample is just meaningless in term of statistic. Now, let me ask you a question, if you own a dealership, and you think you underestimate the AT:MT ratio, would you still do that and import as many in the "Third year after introduction?" I mean, this may happened in the first year, but if in the third year they still stack up the AT, the only reason will be it is easier to sell and higher in demand. And they won't be stupid enough to order as much AT in the THIRD YEAR if MT is really easier to sell (in other world, underestimate the ratio of AT:MT), Nissan do have economic experts that knows economic better than any of us.<<

Dealers don't import cars, Nissan does. Having spoken with several Infiniti dealers in Southern California, and having checked their inventory on line, I can also tell you that 1. they currently have no control over allocation of G35s (colors, trim level, AT/MT), and 2. they all wished Infiniti would provide a higher proportion of MTs because they have none in stock or sell them as soon as they come in (whereas some of the larger dealers have at least a dozen ATs in stock). I have actually been offered ATs in stock at a discount. Either Nissan is intentionally holding back on MTs, they are short on the supply of the 6 speed transmissions, or they are simply inept. Rather than speak in hypotheticals, try shopping around for an MT like the rest of us and perhaps you'll see what we're dealing with here. You're sounding like an apologist for Nissan.

RainMeister
'04 G35C 6MT, brilliant silver, premium, nav

 

First of all, what you said is your point of view, and your observation, which i already stated is "so meaningless in term of statistic due to the sample being too small" what i have said shown in the chart, which is the fact that AT does sell more than MT, period.

As for i said some 6mt owners has wrong assumption on "6MT actually sell more than 5AT", please go back and check Tinman's post that he thinks 6MT sell much more than 5AT, i was pointing out fact to him that he along with some other 6MT owner's assumption is WRONG. Secondly, i don't think RX8 and M3 as "pure sporty car". I already said, you think they are not in the same category, as those car magazine grouped them together, that's your decision. However, how about M5? I bet M5 will still have around the same or even higher MT:AT ratio than G35. Again, G35C fall into which category, each person has their own opinion. Some said it's luxury sporty car that falls into category like Sc430 or E55, other say M3 and M5, and some said it falls with Z and RX7. It depends on how each person sees it. (There have already been enough arguement on which category G35C falls into, and yes some car enthurist doesn't see M3 as pure sporty car such as RX7, S2k...etc., RX8 certainly does fall into the same category as G35 imo) Anyways, this is on how you see the car, but one thing is certain, that none of you arguement will change the fact that "COMPARING 5AT:6MT ratio of the G35C with ALL THE CAR IN U.S. on 90% AT:MT basis doesn't any make sense. What if i said G35C has so little 6MT in comparison with Ferarri and Porsche (At least i am comparing 2dr to 2dr), does this make sense? And that's what i trying to tell you! You have made the WRONG comparison!

Rainmeister, as i already said, this is NOT the first year of G35C, go to your dealership and see if those 5AT stocks you talking about is all 2004!!! which exactly prove my point. This is the second year, and if there is anything that they underestimate should be adjusted in the 2nd year. And if they still stocking more 5AT the only reason being it's easy to sell and the fact that it's more on demand. I'm sure they got a team economic experts that has master degree or whatever and KNOW how to run business and make the adjustment in the 2nd year of this car, and if they still staking up the 5AT, there must be a reason. I guess you really think you are better than their management team, you really should send in your resume to Nissan, lol! Anyways, this arguement is out of topic. I don't see any of your point, what you really trying to say as opposing to my posts? That your tiny observation in your local dealership which has no significant value in term of statistic? That by counting the inventory of your local dealership you conclude that 6MT is higher in demand? What you have been doing is trying to use a tiny sample and trying to reject the fact.