my thought exactly

 

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So stop saying G35C6MT is slower than S2K just becuz you only read road and track but not motor trend. Based on one magazine's data to declare "S2K is faster than G35C6MT" is just ridiculous, go read some other magazine and you will find totally different result.

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My two favorite mags "Road & Track" & "Car & Driver" list the S2K 0->60 at 5.5 sec and 5.4 sec, respectively. Just about all the mags are clustered around 5.6 sec +/- a few tics. You don't seem to refute the power/weight advantage of the S2K -- so why would you expect the G35C to have better acceleration? The stripped down versions of the 350Z post better acceleration numbers than the S2K because the base 350Z is 250 lbs lighter than the G35C. It all makes perfect sense, really.

When we bought my wifes G, we knew we were buying an extremely sexy, powerful, quiet car at a screaming value. We get about 4x the number of compliments on our G as compared to our S2K. But we were not worried about drag racing with adolescents.

As you say, it really is a drivers race and a G35C can have better acceleration than a Z06 if driven properly. Just drive your G off a cliff; you'll see 0-60 in 2.34 sec (neglecting air resistance).

 

I am not saying G35C is faster than S2K, but rather i was stating that concluding that a G35C can't beat a S2K base on one or two magazine's specs is just ridiculous, as some other magazine post different specs. As what i mentioned, Motor Trend did post a G35C 0-60 in 5.6 sec while S2K in 5.8 sec. Does that make G35C faster than S2K? I never conclude a G35C can beat a S2K based on Motor Trend, as you shouldn't conclude who will win based on your two favorite magazines. And btw, HP/Weight ratio is not everything, there are other thing such as , torque (S2K only has 162lb/ft) gear ratio....etc that will affect performance. Either way, i am not saying G35C is faster, but i am just telling you conclude that it's impossible for a G35C to beat a S2K based on your road & track time is just not accurate enough. (At least Motor Trend post totally different numbers than your Road & Track) So don't claim other ppl posting "i killed a S2K" is BS becuz it is totally possible. G35C may not have advantage in HP/Weight ratio, but G35C does has advantage with 270lb-ft torque comparing to S2K's 162 lb-ft torque. (It's not all about HP, torque does matter in your 0-60 time)

Hum, i am not sure if G will get the 2.34 sec driving off the cliff, and i am not gonna try. How'd you get the number? did your wife tried it and yell "2.34 sec" before crashing? or you get the number from some of your "magazine" again?

 

its proven that the fist gen s2k is a hard car to master. to get a decent time you will have to do some clutch burning launchs. Yes some s2k has done low 14 and high 13s because they did those crazy launch. I mean if your talking launching at the most extreme, im sure the G can launch at very high rpms too to get the most of everything. But the majority of us launch at 4rpm. That is not clutch burning crazyness. If a s2k does not pull a crazy launch then the s2k looses. S2ks are not straight line speed, its a autox car. I wonder why people are always trying to compare a autox performance car vs a all around car. Its also safe to say 60% of the s2k driver are considered not to know how to drive their car correctly to utlize their max performance. If a s2k consistanly do 6-7k launchs they will have to replace their clutch very often.... too often. IMO a s2k has a better race from a roll rather than a dig. With the right gear while in the roll the s2k, they can pull hard and very well hang with the G until the higher speeds where the v6 power out do's the v4. Lets not forget the power rate ratio, higher rpm, better gear box. But i think 1-2 out of 4 races with a random s2k we loose.

 

its proven that the fist gen s2k is a hard car to master. to get a decent time you will have to do some clutch burning launchs. Yes some s2k has done low 14 and high 13s because they did those crazy launch. I mean if your talking launching at the most extreme, im sure the G can launch at very high rpms too to get the most of everything. But the majority of us launch at 4rpm. That is not clutch burning crazyness. If a s2k does not pull a crazy launch then the s2k looses. S2ks are not straight line speed, its a autox car. I wonder why people are always trying to compare a autox performance car vs a all around car. Its also safe to say 60% of the s2k driver are considered not to know how to drive their car correctly to utlize their max performance. If a s2k consistanly do 6-7k launchs they will have to replace their clutch very often.... too often. IMO a s2k has a better race from a roll rather than a dig. With the right gear while in the roll the s2k, they can pull hard and very well hang with the G until the higher speeds where the v6 power out do's the v4. Lets not forget the power rate ratio, higher rpm, better gear box. But i think 1-2 out of 4 races with a random s2k we loose.

 

the new s2ks can pull high 13s in the 1/4 mile with a good driver. it is very tough for the g35 to hit 13s stock if not impossible.

 

Perfectly launched, s2k every day of the week. But like people have said, it's going to be a driver's race because it really does take a perfect launch and good tires for the s2k to beat the G. I have only had one brush with an s2k and was ahead in 2/3 sprints but it was neck and neck.

 

Thought I might chime in here a bit. First, magazine racing will get you nowhere. My best friend has an 2002 S2K, and it is fast. From a stop, it could be a driver's race, but from a roll-S2K hands down. This car lives for high speed runs. Torque doesn't mean a thing once the car starts really moving. Also, the whole "has to rev past 7K" is crap. For one thing, it revs up quite fast. Another is with a VTEC controller, it hits VTEC a lot sooner-with a smoother powerband I might add. Now, I don't have any experience with a G35. (A problem I hope to resolve by the end of this year-6MT all the way!) But for right now, I am content with my FD. In a very short time, I'm sure that the G35 and 350Z will rise as the kings of Asian imports-much like the FD and Supra.

'93 Mazda RX-7 Touring
313rwhp 249lb-ft
12.971@111.92

 

Do yourself a favor and test drive a "broken in" G35C 6mt, then post your opinions. The VQ also has a smooth powerband. These are two very different cars with different purposes, but I'll stand by my opinion. S2k maybe from a dig, and G35 from a roll. 1/4 mile times don't mean much when a race starts at 75 mph.


'03 G35C, 6MT, Black, Pop Charger, 18x8.5/9.5 BBS RGR, 245/275 40 Toyo T1-S, Tein S-Tech

 

i raced one 2 weeks ago from a 50 mph roll, i was about 1 1/2 car lengths behind and then about 1/2 a car lenth ahead till 105 mph. ( and i shifted a little early too cause i thought it was over ) used tiptronic too.

 

S2K all the way unless the driver sucks, but most of the drivers that drive s2k's never can do a 13.7 or whatever its supposed to do on the 1/4 mile. they get those time's with pro drivers, But anyways damn i never seen a 4 banger with dual exhaust and pump out so much hp stock. You have to give it up for that.
And the S is super super light when i was going about 130-140 with my friends S it feels like the winds going to lift the car off the ground. So yea the S has the weight advan. And yea its hard to vtec launch that thing, only got one good launch out of 8 and i took off on a camaro (not the SS). then next race launched at about 4-5 grand and the rpms droped but i got him in 3rd so i was happy. very very fun car =) and yea and i have driven a 6mt G nice tq over the S, but if S has a okay launch and G is ahead i think the S will creep up in 3rd based on races i seen between the two. But i love both cars and wish the G was a little faster or lighter. But after driving my uncles G (6mt) i would perfer the G over the S for many reasons. O and damn those brembos can stop on a dime hehe

 

I watched a video of a road coarse race and the S2k got in front [he started in second] the G sarted in last . The G passed all cars .As the G got thru traffic the S2K pulled away . But at the end of the race the G passed all cars and was catching the S2K

Couldnt afford it when young...gonna play when Im old

 

Wow, I can't believe I found this thread!

Anyway, I am the girls boyfriend, and yes, I did have a 2002 S2K with a turbo kit on it. I think you got your facts messed up with your friend. My girlfriend told me that she argued the fact that a turbo S2K would beat a SC G35, and give a good fight to a Turbo G. And I agree with those statements. I got rid of the S2K, because I was tired of always working on the car, and also I wanted something more luxurious, and refined. Don't get me wrong, I love the G with a passion!

P.S. My s2k was pushing 334rwhp at 13 psi with a emanage system. Not bragging, just stating some facts for people who want to debate. Don't forget about the power to weight ratio. At the time, I had a hardtop, with the softtop removed (95 lbs saving) and some other things to drop the weight down. With driver, I estimated the car to be around 2700. Also, the S2K gear ratios were perfect with a turbo setup, with a final drive ratio of 4:10.

And also, pertaining to a stock s2k with a stock g35 racing, IF THE DRIVER of the s2k knows how to drive the car, the s2k will win hands down everytime. But, with average drivers, the G35 has a better chance to win. (That is the problem with the damn s2k, all the planets have to be aligned right, and everything perfect in order to win a hard race). From a first gear roll, a G35 will win everytime. The s2k powerband is too long with no torque to match a G35 with the powerband. I hope I have answered some questions....

Nick

 

been there, done that... my stock 6spd coupe beats the stock s2k. We both took off at 80 mph and by the time I hit 140 mph, I was at least 1 1/2 car lengths ahead of him... maybe i shifted faster? who knows, g35 beat the s2k... we both backed off at around 145...

 

been there, done that... my stock 6spd coupe beats the stock s2k. We both took off at 80 mph and by the time I hit 140 mph, I was at least 1 1/2 car lengths ahead of him... maybe i shifted faster? who knows, g35 beat the s2k... we both backed off at around 145...