Unleaded or Premium gas?
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#47
Originally Posted by Kazaam
Don't ever run regular in you car, there's a big difference in feel and performance. Plus, it's about a $3 to $5 difference per full tank so why?? Fill up with regular and you G will feel like a damn minivan, trust me.
To the OP, do you drive aggressively or are you more of a mellow driver? If you drive easy you can get away with running regular.
The reason why certain higher performing engines require higher octane fuel is because the higher the octane, the slower the fuel burns. Higher performing engines typically imploy one of the following:
1. High compression ratio (i.e. when the piston is at its highest point, how much fuel and air is the cylinder compressing vs how much volume is in the cylinder when the piston is at its lowest point).
2. Turbocharged (fans compressing air via exhaust and shoving it in the engine)
3. Supercharged (fans compressing air via the engine and shoving it into the engine)
In all of these cases they involve compressing a lot of air. When you compress air, it gets extremely hot so the more compression, the hotter its gonna get in there (hence the use of intercoolers in some turbocharged and supercharged applications). When driving hard and that compression comes more into play, lower octane fuel will explode before its supposed to, resulting in something called knock (because it makes a knocking noise in your engine) or detonation. In the old days, too much of this would simply blow your engine, today the car's computer and knock sensors will basically retune your car and pull back the timing to save the engine, only draw back is, depending on the severity of the knock, your car will perform much slower, this is the "power decrease" that people will mention.
Its important to keep in mind that the octane in the fuel itself does not reduce or increase power, higher octane fuel doesn't release more energy than lower octane fuel so its impossible for it to increase/decrease power. I'm sure mislead folks just have a case of the Placebo effect whenever they make such claims.
The best type of fuel to use is the lowest octane available that causes 0 knock, but unless you have scanning tools that read the car's computer, you won't know what that is.
In most cases, in normal driving, regular gas will suit just fine. So go for it, get regular gas and drive easy. You'll get better mileage (because you'll be driving easier on the throttle...not because of the octane rating) and you'll save a buck or two every fill up.
Last edited by fecurtis; 12-04-2008 at 04:54 PM.
#50
Originally Posted by jfisher
Um, yes actually it does. Compression does play a role in the which ocatane fuel to run, but not as much as the tune the car has on it's ecu. You can run a high compression engine on 87 octane if the ECU has been tuned to do so. It's ALL in the tune.
Take my car for example, or any boosted G35. If you run boost, and then run 87 octane and do whatever you want to the ECU to make it pull timing, you will possibly damage the motor and/or lose a hell of a lot of power. I know, because it has happened to me when my car would run lean under boost.
#51
To add to what Canadian said-0My car hates California Mix 91. Can't imagine going any lower. Not so much of a performance issue. It's the detonation-
Never hear a ping if I run unleaded 100 which we have around here at a local 76 station.
I'm still trying to get it to run on 91 without detonation at lower rpm. Sort of scaring me actually.
Never hear a ping if I run unleaded 100 which we have around here at a local 76 station.
I'm still trying to get it to run on 91 without detonation at lower rpm. Sort of scaring me actually.
#53
Originally Posted by eurodre
ur car HATES it? uhm?
Jfisher, what can I do to "tune away" the detonation? Please share-
Edit, I'm obviously beginning to wonder if my car is experiencing other issues.
Last edited by Lip; 12-05-2008 at 12:15 AM.
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I think this is pretty simple. If you have a coupe or any other model that says Premium Fuel Only, then use 91 or better octane. Anything less is just until you can limp to a station that offers higher octane, and you should put as little fuel as possible to get to a better station.
If your car says Premium Fuel Recommended, it is your choice. If you drive it hard, go with premium. If you drive normally or cautious, regular or midgrade is fine unless you actually notice issues. 91 won't hurt, but you can save money with lower.
If your car says Premium Fuel Recommended, it is your choice. If you drive it hard, go with premium. If you drive normally or cautious, regular or midgrade is fine unless you actually notice issues. 91 won't hurt, but you can save money with lower.
#58
Originally Posted by Darkstar752
your looking at saving 100-200 a year. Let's see, for $100 a year, you can have a more reliable engine, signifcantly more horsepower, and better gas mileage.
But no, save the money if you want, because obviously having $100 more for food, beer, or an inch more on a TV is better than your $30,000 investment.
But no, save the money if you want, because obviously having $100 more for food, beer, or an inch more on a TV is better than your $30,000 investment.
I'm not saying it's OK to put regular in the car, and they should have done a search, but at least the OP actually has a G rather than just coming on here and trying to make people feel stupid with inaccurate statements.