6MT = win
#21
Put paddles on a regular auto tranny in a regular car, then no, manual is superior. But any form of modern dual clutch or Ferrari single clutch paddle system will blow any normal driver out of the water.
My best friend has his own exotics dealer in Vegas and I've had a chance to drive a lot of said cars: DCT in a GTR, Ferrari F1 in a 360CS and F430, R-tronic in an R8, PDK in a 911. Aside from the last one looking a little silly with the little buttons and all of them not giving you the true feel of a manual, they are superior in performance. If you have a chance to drive/track something like this it is very apparent. I'm no pro racer, I'd like to be, but for everyday people interested in tracking, true new paddle systems are superior.
Except for parking, that is undeniably horrible, especially when trying to maneuver a bunch of quarter million dollar cars in a showroom to align them perfectly. That kind of ruins it.
#22
6mt ftw ! I regret everday driving an automatic g. EVERYDAY .. like someone before said, nothing like rowing through the gears controling your car. I feel like a girl putting my car into "drive" and leaving it there to move by itself. the tiptronic **** doesn't cut it either LOL. traffic is annoying either way in auto or mt. I never drive in traffic.
UPGRADE TO MT !! (:
UPGRADE TO MT !! (:
#24
I wonder how many people who say 6MT FTW have tried driving daily with an upgraded Triple Plate Clutch from say ORC??? My left Calf leg is still more toned then my right thanks to traffic in NY with it. Granted, when there's no traffic, and your in a 2 lane back road,6MT is so amazing. Then again, a transmission shifting gears in 0.2 seconds is also amazing.
Hence why so many Ferrari Owners are going with it compared to 6MT as you have to remember, the paddle shifters transmission in a F430 is STILL a 6MT, just the Clutch is automated. There is no Torque Converter which is what makes a Slush box...a slush box. Remember the differences kiddies, and for those wondering, the 7AT in the new G/Z is a slush box but I think it's an advanced Torque Converter which is why the horsepower numbers are the same, shifts gears better and has the downshift rev matching feature on it.
Hopefully some of you found this information useful.
Hence why so many Ferrari Owners are going with it compared to 6MT as you have to remember, the paddle shifters transmission in a F430 is STILL a 6MT, just the Clutch is automated. There is no Torque Converter which is what makes a Slush box...a slush box. Remember the differences kiddies, and for those wondering, the 7AT in the new G/Z is a slush box but I think it's an advanced Torque Converter which is why the horsepower numbers are the same, shifts gears better and has the downshift rev matching feature on it.
Hopefully some of you found this information useful.
#25
I wonder how many people who say 6MT FTW have tried driving daily with an upgraded Triple Plate Clutch from say ORC??? My left Calf leg is still more toned then my right thanks to traffic in NY with it. Granted, when there's no traffic, and your in a 2 lane back road,6MT is so amazing. Then again, a transmission shifting gears in 0.2 seconds is also amazing.
Hence why so many Ferrari Owners are going with it compared to 6MT as you have to remember, the paddle shifters transmission in a F430 is STILL a 6MT, just the Clutch is automated. There is no Torque Converter which is what makes a Slush box...a slush box. Remember the differences kiddies, and for those wondering, the 7AT in the new G/Z is a slush box but I think it's an advanced Torque Converter which is why the horsepower numbers are the same, shifts gears better and has the downshift rev matching feature on it.
#26
Exactly, TRUE paddles are still manual but with a computer unit replacing your left leg and brain. I think a better way of saying it CLUTCH FTW. Simple design, wonderful fun. But with any automated clutch, low speed manuevers/parking is horrendous as the clutch has essentially very little slip so it's jerky and a bit unpredictable.
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#28
Paddle= slit between your legs........ Your right ferrari may have the best paddle shift in the world but they also have the best gated 6sp in the world. I'd have a boner just getting a chance to row thru that gear box. You can say its faster all you want and your right but who takes their ferrari or lamb to the road track? Personally I'd rather be the one drivin the car not some computer. Have you guys ever driven in a paddle shift ferrari? It drives like junk when your driving normally. When you reverse slowly it feels like the car is going to stall.
Bottom line......
6sp= true driving enthusiast
Paddle shift = wannabe
I understand people get AT because they drive a lot but don't do that to your weekend warrior
Bottom line......
6sp= true driving enthusiast
Paddle shift = wannabe
I understand people get AT because they drive a lot but don't do that to your weekend warrior
#29
Paddle= slit between your legs........ Your right ferrari may have the best paddle shift in the world but they also have the best gated 6sp in the world. I'd have a boner just getting a chance to row thru that gear box. You can say its faster all you want and your right but who takes their ferrari or lamb to the road track? Personally I'd rather be the one drivin the car not some computer. Have you guys ever driven in a paddle shift ferrari? It drives like junk when your driving normally. When you reverse slowly it feels like the car is going to stall.
Bottom line......
6sp= true driving enthusiast
Paddle shift = wannabe
I understand people get AT because they drive a lot but don't do that to your weekend warrior
Bottom line......
6sp= true driving enthusiast
Paddle shift = wannabe
I understand people get AT because they drive a lot but don't do that to your weekend warrior
P.S. Princess Jen has a "slit between her legs" and loves her 6MT just fine.
#30
Paddle= slit between your legs........ Your right ferrari may have the best paddle shift in the world but they also have the best gated 6sp in the world. I'd have a boner just getting a chance to row thru that gear box. You can say its faster all you want and your right but who takes their ferrari or lamb to the road track? Personally I'd rather be the one drivin the car not some computer. Have you guys ever driven in a paddle shift ferrari? It drives like junk when your driving normally. When you reverse slowly it feels like the car is going to stall.
Bottom line......
6sp= true driving enthusiast
Paddle shift = wannabe
I understand people get AT because they drive a lot but don't do that to your weekend warrior
Bottom line......
6sp= true driving enthusiast
Paddle shift = wannabe
I understand people get AT because they drive a lot but don't do that to your weekend warrior
And yes I have driven paddles, many in fact as I listed: Nissan GTR, Ferrari F340, 360 Challenge Stradale, 575M, Porsche 911 PDK, Audi R8, TT-S...
yes the older Ferraris (360 and 575) weren't the smoothest in Auto mode, but in manual mode the paddles work just fine during normal driving.
All the newer cars are wonderful on the street but as stated many times before, a chore during fine low speed maneuvers/parking.
As for who takes Ferraris on the track? Not many people, but some that I have met. But last I checked that point is irrelevant as they were kind of made to do that...and that's all I'm saying. For an average person, paddles will be a good bit faster with a true clutch based paddle setup than a manual. For pros, different story...but again, I stated that.
And as for Ferrari's having a the best transmission...some are quite notchy and finicky. Drive a 997 GT3, see how you like that transmission, hell drive a manual Audi R8...that is pure sex in terms of transmission, it depends on what you like anyways...
Jump off your high horse. Experience more than hearsay and then talk in absolutes...