Exactly. "the owners" insurance will cover the physical damage to the car. In NY the owner of the car can be held liable for damages that the "car" does regardless of who is driving, hence the reason auto maufacturers will not lease in NY.

The "thiefs" insurance if he has any will not cover him or the damaged car as the "thief" was driving the car without permission.


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replace rim, cost of clutch and replacement AND cost of an extended warranty or theft charges.

Simple and fair. If you dont make it hurt alittle, the parents probably wont really do anything.

The parents need to wake up, that kid should be in some serious trouble. If he'd killed someone driving (any car), his parents would be lucky to keep anything they own. Not to mention that he steals cars.

 

Not having permission does technically make it a theft. The owner's comprehensive coverage would cover the loss as a theft(if he has that coverage). No liability would be provided for damages caused by the driver. And the driver's insurance would likely deny any coverage as well as was mentioned before.

tpware: Lets not assume his parents are doing nothing. It's their business how they will handle their child.

 

yeah, until their little hellions are out driving drunk, then its your problem too. I could care less how many cookies he eats or how much TV he watches..

 

Anyway this ends up I'd say this kid is getting off easy. A DUI costs a few thousand dollars and since he's not 21 your state probably has some zero tolerance that can take your license away until that age. Had he hurt somebody he would have added vehicular assualt and had he killed someone change that to vehicular homicide. Throw in stolen car and wreckless driving, you've got quite a few offenses that are all jailable ones and each one costs quite a bit to deal with. Not to mention your dealing with people's lives, and this kid doesn't seem like he would have stopped the car had he hit something (so go ahead and throw in leaving scene). I think it's smart that you didn't try to fight him & went to his parents. Someone said lay out all the possibilities for them, I like that idea. I'm sure whatever his parents give you (hopefully a lot) they will make him repay them.

Nate

 

"since there is no way that he hurt your car that badly in ~30 miles bad enough to do anything MAJOR to the clutch, tires, etc..."

i guess you have never taught anyone how to drive a stick. believe me, you can cause damage even with 30 miles of driving only. i've seen a couple clutches get fried after a couple sessions of teaching friends how to drive stick. also, since it wasn't his car, i'm sure he drove it pretty hard (i.e, redlining, changing gears at really high rpm's, engaging in lower gears at inappropiate rpm's or speed, etc). who knows what he could have done.

if it were me, i would raise hell. i actually would go on ahead and report it to the police and press charges. either way, he is responsible for any damages incurred. if you don't press charges or report it, if your car needs repairs later on, it would be harder to prove your case. still can win, but it makes it a lot easier if you have a police report.

i'm just so sick of hearing about young kids breaking the law and disrespecting ppl's property because they all know since they're juveniles, they'll just get a slap on the wrist. that's why i have no sympathy for the kid or his parents. i would love to kick his ***, but it's not worth it. here in america, that's what A LOT of kids need....a real good ***-whipping!!! : )

 

Z2G, you're right (I kind of contradicted myself, unintentionally). The clutch can be toast, that's why I mentioned that the parents of the rodent should pay to have it replaced. To me, a clutch is not a real big deal. It sucks to have someone damage it, but this is a perfect time to "upgrade" to a new clutch and a lighter flywheel [img]/w3timages/icons/smile.gif[/img]. Plus the rodent got the car to ~120 mph (according to the original poster) so I would think the driver knew how to shift gears at least a little bit.

Now, the rim could be of more concern because getting another wheel to match the colors of your already slightly sun/faded wheels might be a little more difficult. I also like the idea of having the parents pay for an extended warranty, maybe 7 years 100,000 miles. GEICO and other companies offer relatively reasonable extended warranties for not a lot of money.

So…
1. new Volks and tires
2. new clutch and flywheel
3. extended warranty

I'd be very interested in a follow up post to see how this situation turns out. All too often that never happens.

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i agree.....more reasons to get new rims and mods!!!! : )

 

how do you know what he did in your car? quote:

"He right off the bat after my car had been sitting for hours drops the clutch in my car..... he then proceeds to chirp some gears and ended up going about 120 on the way there"

2004 TB Coupe 6MT

 

lol no the only drug involved was alcohol...... so thats not a problem. The kid's dad just called and offered ~$220 because he looked into the cost of renting a porcshe boxter for a day. This is gonna be unacceptable obviously because of the cost of my wheel alone or repair of the wheel. I really dont wanna repair the wheel just because of the horrible quality i have seen of such repairs in the past. I really dont want to press charges just because i dont want to ruin the kid's life.... i realize that im pissed but im just thinking about all the dumb [censored] i have done in my life that could have messed my life up and thank god that it didnt. I really dont think ANYONE desearves to have their life ruined if they havent ruined someone else's.

now heres the deal..... im not settling for 220 obviously. Im thinking that i'll talk to infiniti techs about it and just see what thye think. Im gonna have to take it in for my first service in the next week or so (3500 miles on it). Im not to worried about my tires and brakes even tho im pissed about it. Im worried about my clutch and the wheel. I know the wheel will be taken care of and the only other thing im worried is that he severly shortened the life of my clutch.

How much would it cost to have my clutch taken off and looked at? How many hours and stuff? I know that on my friend's m3 they were saying it would be about 500 dollars labor to just look at his clutch (the same as install) because the amount of work was about the same and that they had to take off a lot of things too look at the clutch. I really could be a huge [censored] about this but dont wanna commit a crime in doing so.

Now for the saddest part for me.... all my friend's involved in going to this kid's house are now pissed that they are going to get in trouble. They are saying i took this too far and should have just beat his *** and been done with it. I honestly feel like i handled this like an adult and took care of my [censored]. I feel like i was obligated to tell MY parents because even tho it is my car and will be me selling the car eventually, its THEIR car more than mine since they are the ones toating the note and repair bills and such. I feel like my parents are trusting me with a HUGE responsibility with this car and that betraying their trust by covering something like this up would be a very childish way of handling it. I always get talks about becoming a man and handling my buisness in an adult way from my dad, mom, teachers, principals, and basically all other adults.... and i really feel like this is the right decision for me. I think i have lost my best friend over this who had the keys taken outa his pocket and lost the good friend who had me at his house. I got called a rat today by the girl who myf riend took home in my car after actually protecting her from getting in trouble by not saying her name..... o yeah btw the kid's parents are calling other parents if u havent already realized that..... well i feel like if i lose friends over this whatever.... blood is thicker than water and i did right by my family and thats the most i can do in this situation. Friends come and go but my family will always be my family and my dad will respect me more for this (even tho im in big trouble for it because of ME not making good decisions by allowing it to happen)... i dunno about how much at fault i am tho cause the kid could have just as easily stolen them out of my pocket or if i had left them on the counter... that doesnt mean i desearve to get my car taken for a joy ride iether.... so i dont see how them being in another kid's pocket makes me more desearving of getting my car taken out.

2004 Black on Black g coupe 6spd.... aluminum pedals, clear corners, z tube, and pop charger. soon to have 19" volk gt-c's and PIAA xtreme whites in the clearance and corners
Houston Texas

 

honestly, you have done nothing wrong except letting your friend take your car home. it wasn't your fault some other fool (and he was a fool, idiot, jerk, etc.) for stealing your keys and taking your car -- typical immature, high school crap you always hear about. i truly believe you should talk to the guy's parents and tell them that if they don't pay up fully for what their son did, you WILL press charges. there is nothing wrong or immature about that. no need to talk about blood being thicker than water here. no need to talk about feeling bad for the guy because he messed up and he has to pay for it. you are actually doing him a favor by allowing him to fess up and man-up to the damages. your supposed "friends" are not your friends. they are all selfish, immature brats who don't want to get into trouble. well, how about the trouble that you will get into with your parents when they find out. or how about the money that you are going to be out to repair the damages. it may end up being more than just the scratches on the wheel. keep that in mind. if they don't want the parents to find out, why don't they start a fund and have all of them chip in to pay for your damages. if not, those same kids ( and i emphasize the word "kids") need to just shut-up and keep out of it. it's not their loss so of course they couldn't care less about you.

truly, these are times when you know who your true friends are. and as you can see, most of them are not. it is clear that the kid's father is just playing hardball with you because he sees you as a little kid. i highly suggest you to let your parents take care of everything from this point on.

but lesson learned.....as the previous member said, NEVER let anyone except your dad drive your car -- and only because he paid for it : )

 

i really am right with u until the point where u said not to let people drive my car. I dont let PEOPLE drive my car.... i let my best friend drive it. The same best friend that taught me how to drive on his m3 and has trusted me with it. If i didnt feel like he was capable of driving it just as well as (actually BETTER than) me, i wouldnt obviously. I really dont pass any blame on to him, which is easier for someone's best friend to say than if he had been a random friend or something. Honestly the kid would have been able to steal the keys out of my pocket just as easily as out of my friend's pocket. I have left my keys on the counter top at friend's houses before and stuff like that and wouldnt think twice about doing it in the future probably even knowing how i was burned once. The fact is, whether someone steal's your keys or hotwire's your car, theft is theft. It doesnt matter how he got the car moving or how easy it was for him to take out or anything. I dont feel like that changes anything. And its not like letting my friend drive my car had ANYTHING to do with it. Letting my friend hold on to my keys is more like it. Think of it like this.... if i had been wearing basketball shorts or something and let my friend with pockets hold my keys then you guys wouldnt have even brought up the fact that i shouldnt let someone drive my car. Im guessing u arent talking about the guy who stole it and i still get the feeling that you guys arent understanding that the kid who took it without permission ISNT my friend at all. I dont know the kid really and now i definatly dont like him, but i wasnt friends before this. Thanks for seeing my point of view and i guess this thread had a lot to do with me feeling bad about not having anyone side with me. I feel betrayed by my "friends" since they are all more worried about getting grounded for a couple of weeks than they are of me recieving retribution for the wear and tear on my car and just the general principle of things. I know that before this night if any one of those guys ever had needed anything i would have gone to the ends of the world to accomidate them (and have in a few cases with several of the kids). I thought friendship was a two way thing but i guess its really not. Its not a big deal tho. These were the guys i normally hang out with.... we call ourselves "the group" since we're so "tight" with each other. I have a lot of other friends and im not sweating it because its not like i cant find friends. Friends come and go.... im gonna be stuck with this car for the next 5 years =)

2004 Black on Black g coupe 6spd.... aluminum pedals, clear corners, z tube, and pop charger. soon to have 19" volk gt-c's and PIAA xtreme whites in the clearance and corners
Houston Texas

 

But you assume they are doing nothing. If a civil punishment is in order perhaps criminal charges should be filed. But we are not talking about law, but of disciplining a child. The last thing any parent really wants is to be told how they should be a parent. You don't know this kid. Sure, he made a mistake. We all have. How they handle it is going to have to be based on a lot of factors. What works for one kid may not work for another. In most cases, parents are going to try and do what they think is best. Parents make mistakes too. Consider that punishments should not be to torture or make a person feel bad. It needs to be constructive enough that he learns from it. This is not in anyway saying that this isn't a serious matter, but realistically, the parents need to decide what sort of punishment to give their child on their own. Any retribution for the wear and tear and any damage to the vehicle should be limited to what is actually damaged or worn. The retribution in that of itself should not be the punishment. Especially since all it does is punish the parents.

 

raznips,
i feel for you man. everyone here does too. i'm not saying you were wrong in letting your bestfriend drive your car. i'm just saying that later on, in your parents mind, they may pass some blame onto you for letting him drive it to his house. i know how parents can be. but in the end, you did nothing wrong.