Fankly, I was joking with the pic, I don't really see anyone driving donks, maybe thats cause im from the Northeast though. I do see big mercs with rims driven by white guys occasionally.

I was just making the point that maybe, if cops hassle enough people fitting a profile that aren't actually doing anything wrong, they will be convinced of the profile's inaccuracy. Other than it looking silly, I don't think there is anything wring with huge rims, so he should be able to do it if he wants and not get hassled. I get negative attention for being blackish and driving my stock G, does that mean I shouldn't do it, or than I'm making it worse?

"YOU figure as long as hes not a drug dealer, but by driving that car hes fitting a PROFILE."

I can't really follow what you're trying to convey with this, its not really a sentence, could you clarify?

 

your opinion is thats its just another guy on the street, but the perception of a police officer is different. They think very black and white, right and wrong. Yea right now ur getting negative attention for your stock g while being "blackish" lol, then u go ahead and put rims that make u stick out from everyone else...do the math. Youre making the assumption that they are gunna pull over enough people and learn that these people arent fitting the profile, BUT THEY ARE. Read a stats book on it, hell take some more CJ classes i really dont think u got enough out of them if you dont understand what im conveying or how police use profiling (racial or not) to their advantage, this being one of the "profiles" BIG RIMS ON A CAR ...GET IT NOWW!!??!!!

 

It is his car he can do whatever he wants to it, the point we are trying to make is 22 inch rims on a sports coupe is to much.

You come to a forum where 99% of us have a lot of passion for these cars, and ask what we think of something, if it's a terrible idea we are going to tell you.

Sometimes we get a little out of hand, but it is just to prove a point.

 

Get in a Lexus for a cushiony soft ride.

 

Yes but my point still stands. If I fit a profile by being a black guy from newark driving a nice car and get hassled for it, does that mean I should submit and stop driving the nice car? No

Yes, I know putting rims would make it worse, but the logic is the same. An Infiniti in my neighborhood is about as rare as big rims in a decent area, so I stick out about as much. I maintain that I should not have to give up a car I like because of of a profile that is incorrect in my case.

I obviously don't have real statistics (and I assume neither do you) on the correlation of rims to criminality. If you have them I would love to see them. But I can tell you that it has been proven that while blacks are searched more often in traffic stops, there is NO change in the probability of the search returning something criminal (drugs, guns, etc) if you dont believe me, read this http://www.econ.upenn.edu/~jknowles/KPT%20JPE.web.pdf

I maintain that while the profiles exist, and cops do use them, that doesn't make them correct, literally or morally.

Also if your being taught that racial profiling is ok in your CJ class, I would be interested to hear where you went to school, as your teacher will probably loose their job like Carl A. Williams, NJ chief of police, did.

 

I like turtles!

 

would u wear red in a neighborhood full of crips? didnt think so... i drive through newark all the time for work sometimes multiple times daily infinitis arent rare around there. Younger guys get picked on by the cops, is it profiling yes...by putting wheels on a car being a younger driver you increase ur chances of being pulled over, receiving a ticket etc, its just not in regards to race. however in this case, where the majority of police stations are made up of white italian americans, whom are presumably "racist" to begin with you basically have a recipie for disaster. i could give a ***** what he does with his car, its merely a warning to not pull the race card when ur *** gets hassled for looking like a gangster....

 

No, but forgive me if I hold my legal institutions to higher standards than gangs.

I guess this is just a difference in attitude. I am unwilling to accept and go along with blatant injustice. ...sort of why I'm becoming a lawyer. I don't want big rims on my car, but I would like to be able to make that decision myself without wondering if I'm gonna discriminated against for it.

And wait a minute, are you saying its NOT about race now?

I was under the impression your logic went like this:

Rims means you must be black(cause white people dont put big rims on cars apparantly) ----> Black + rims = your more likely to be a drug dealer ---->Racial Profiling is a useful tool.

Correct me if I'm wrong. How is that just not in regards to race?

 

the majority of people who but HUGE CHROME BLING BLING RIMS on cars not usually meant to have them are usually minorities. You can see that going on car domain alone. This is making him fit a profile. i didnt say all rims, its the WAY u do up your car, kinda like mostly black dudes wear dew rags and white guys dont really or its more rare. Obviously ur gunna stick out more, sticking out more = more hassle. thers a difference between being smart not wanting to get hassled, and then saying HEY LOOK AT ME I CAN PUT THE FLASHIEST THINGS ON MY CAR, then wonder why they get pulled over.

 

Yeah, thats what I was referring to. I just didn't feel like saying HUGE CHROME BLING BLING RIMS every time. Is my assesment of your logic incorrect? How is it just not in regards to race?

Now you say it's about "sticking out" but before you said racial profiling is a useful tool. If you really think its just about having the rims and "sticking out" why bring up racial profiling at all.

 

because being a minority you already have one strike against you...so why add fuel to the fire? jesus christ man reading comprehension > you
i feel like a broken record.
1. being a minority
2. putting flashy retarded things on ur car bring it attention
3. fitting the stereotype of a hoodlum
4. PROFILING, thats a profile, hes fitting it...get it, got it, good!
5. done posting in this thread.

 

I have no reading comprehension problems. I was just pointing out the inconsistencies in your argument. Getting you to admit that it's not just about sticking out, but that it's about looking black. Since I've already shown that a black person who is pulled over is no more likely to have been doing something significantly illegal, I have shown that racial profiling and therefor, big rim profiling, is most likely not effective.

 

pretty sure statistics say blacks are more involved in blue collar crime than whites, therefore profiling (the nice word police stations used instead of RACIAL profiling) exists. Profiling is one of the most effective tools in policing to this day, like i said u should go back to school or pick up a community policing book. Its about BOTH being black and DRAWING ATTENTION....
Do you realize there are plenty of criminal profiles made by the police that are effective and how effective they are? Its really not rocket science

 

Criminal conviction statistics bring in more variables, i.e. a flawed and prejudiced legal system. If profiling prejudice exists in cops as you've stated it does, you can be sure it exists in judges and juries. If people walk in thinking that blacks are more likely to commit crimes, they're sort of guilty before the trial even starts.

Lets keep it simple and eliminate as many variables as possible. If blacks are so much more inherently criminally involved, why aren't they more likely to carry illegal things in their cars?

 

Heres where u need to get a book, pick it up, and read it carefully. they are more predisposed to cause blue collar crime, drug trafficking, armed robbery, whatever it might be, blacks/minorities statistically cause more. If you are black and drawing attention to yourself, chances are u will get ur ***** busted. U should take a Sociology class too while your at it