05 coupe or used M3?
#47
Re: 05 coupe or used M3?
M3 is a real serious car, i was just in soem guys at a car show/meet and he took me for a ride and he went up to 165 and it was still pulling, man i love the car but i just cant get over how great the g35 coupe looks and feel either!! I just wish there was M3 performance without modding or going FI fromt he factory so then it would be even faster when modded but it obviously wont happen. But i am def. going FI on any car i get if not turbo'd already, i just dont know how well the e46 engine will hold up and thats what's keeping my decision off right now to jump on gettin an m3, i might get an older e36 euro spec one with the almost current m3 engine in it right now, they are bullet proof and one of the best handling cars int he world which mag's have said comparing it to ferrari's. Turbo that bad boy and your looking at over 500+ hp with reliability.
Martin
2003.5 BS G35
Nismo Aero/Sport Package
0-60 5.4 - 1/4 Mile 14.16 *GTech* and on 19's!!
Martin
2003.5 BS G35
Nismo Aero/Sport Package
0-60 5.4 - 1/4 Mile 14.16 *GTech* and on 19's!!
#48
Re: 05 coupe or used M3?
Nicely said, Loren.
The G35 coupe is one of which I am looking to buy to replace my aging daily car. I do not yet own a BMW or Infiniti but I am quite tired of seeing all these BMW/Mustang/Corvette haters (especially M3s) within this forum. I've talked to a friend who owns an M3 about some G35C drivers' opinions on his car. He found it quite amusing that no one at his forum ever mentioned a G35 coupe as a competitor. That being said, I will still choose an 05 coupe over a used M3 solely based on the Japanese reliability since I already have a 911. But for the gentleman who was trying to make this decision, my suggestion is that he should go with the used M3. Performance aside, the status and prestige factor (given the right situation and time) is "priceless". You will remember what I said when the time comes. Some may never find out. Just an opinion from an old guy.
The G35 coupe is one of which I am looking to buy to replace my aging daily car. I do not yet own a BMW or Infiniti but I am quite tired of seeing all these BMW/Mustang/Corvette haters (especially M3s) within this forum. I've talked to a friend who owns an M3 about some G35C drivers' opinions on his car. He found it quite amusing that no one at his forum ever mentioned a G35 coupe as a competitor. That being said, I will still choose an 05 coupe over a used M3 solely based on the Japanese reliability since I already have a 911. But for the gentleman who was trying to make this decision, my suggestion is that he should go with the used M3. Performance aside, the status and prestige factor (given the right situation and time) is "priceless". You will remember what I said when the time comes. Some may never find out. Just an opinion from an old guy.
#50
Re: 05 coupe or used M3?
Yea i love both cars, im a car "enthusiast" not biased car owner!! People seem to get that confused when talking bad about different cars . Anyway check out this comparison, this is an SMG M3 which is almost identical to the porsche 911 targa, porsche is def. a little bit quicker but if it was a 6spd the M3 would have had much better #'s IMO, check it out, not bad! I just want to know if all of these tests are measured with launch control on the SMG, for those who dont know SMG has its own launch control program set into the SMG, very cool feature.....Here are #'s compared to the SMG to Manual, pretty similar except for the 0-100 theres a significant difference!!
0 - 60 mph 4.8 Manual / 5.0 Auto
0 - 100 mph 11.6 Manual / 12.2 Auto
0 - ¼ Mile 13.4 @ 107 mph Manual / 13.6 @ 106 mph Auto
http://www.roadandtrack.com/reviews/...rison_data.pdf
http://www.m3smg.com/special_functions.htm
Martin
2003.5 BS G35
Nismo Aero/Sport Package
0-60 5.4 - 1/4 Mile 14.16 *GTech* and on 19's!!
0 - 60 mph 4.8 Manual / 5.0 Auto
0 - 100 mph 11.6 Manual / 12.2 Auto
0 - ¼ Mile 13.4 @ 107 mph Manual / 13.6 @ 106 mph Auto
http://www.roadandtrack.com/reviews/...rison_data.pdf
http://www.m3smg.com/special_functions.htm
Martin
2003.5 BS G35
Nismo Aero/Sport Package
0-60 5.4 - 1/4 Mile 14.16 *GTech* and on 19's!!
#52
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Re: 05 coupe or used M3?
Well, you don't need any friends to have that particular car to test drive one. I was test driving Ferraris back when I had a Saleen Mustang. Driving up in a G35 Coupe, I had no problem driving a Z06, an E46 M3 and the 40th Anniversary 911 all in the same day. All you have to do is ask.
If you only use magazines as your evaluation, then you are only getting someone elses opinion. Different testers have different opinions. Motor Trend, Car and Driver and Road and Track all do comparisons with subjective rankings. A seat that may fit one person poorly may fit another perfectly. It isn't uncommon to have a slower car with lower handling limits win these comparison due to subjective ratings. You are the only one who knows what is right for you. Maybe your idea of handling is a safe understeering car that will keep you out of trouble when you exceed the limits or maybe a car feels to handle well because you've never had anything comparable to compare it too. You have to decide this for yourself and what your individual criteria is.
I will never though comment about the engine in an E46 M3 not being better than the VQ35. It is more powerful. I am still shocked about the amount of noticeable torque after shifting up a gear. The engine was simply far more impressive driving it than the magazine numbers tell. It would have left a better impression if it didn't understeer so bad. I drove an E36 M3 several years ago and it was wonderfully neutral. For 05' there is a handling package that may fix this noticeable flaw.
It is the total experience I am personally looking for. I have driven 2 Z06's. One of the 2 pulled so hard it felt like it was going to rip the tires off the wheels all the way through 3rd. The other one was not that strong. Yes they have performance, but both were extremely noisy, rough, had annoying shakes and just didn't feel comfortable. I feel like I am getting half a car when I drive them.
I drove a regular 320 hp standard suspension 911 and it was a similar experience. Some of this was due to too controlled of a test drive by the salesman. I couldn't really push it like I wanted too. It did everything well, but felt like it could have improvement. The 40th Anniversary with the sport chassis and X51 345 hp engine was a gem. It was extremely tight with great turn-in, much tighter than the base car. It had almost no body roll with tremedous limits and still a smooth ride. The brakes were tight. The normal engine feels smooth and linera, but the X51 engine comes noticeably hard on cam above 4000 rpms and never felt slow down low. Last it was comfortable. The seat was comfortable to sit. The shifter and steering wheel had good positions and felt right when they moved, although the shifter was a little long. It was also quiet and tight. The 14-speaker Bose stereo and voice controlled Nav just seemed to compliment and finish the package. It had no weaknesses and this is what makes an impression on me.
After driving a dozen cars last year, I chose a G35 Coupe because it has no weaknesses too. It handles, brakes and accelerates well with good comfort and feel. It isn't necessarily the highest in every category, but it doesn't do anything wrong and did everything better than the 330Ci for less money. I raised my expectations higher with the M3 and found it only did 1 thing better. If they could improve on the other 2, I might become an M3 owner.
As a last note, the slightly used (under 2K miles) 40th Anniversary 911 I drove was $76K. If you think that is sticker shock, the car listed for $96K. I couldn't justify this amount for that car. But if it was $60K, it would have immediately taken my G35's place in the garage. The experience of driving it has still left such an impression on me that I am watching resales now that the 997 model is out. If the prices fall, don't expect the G35 to stay around...until then I am still happy with my compromise.
04' G35 Coupe 6-sp
Diamond Graphite/Willow w/Premium
If you only use magazines as your evaluation, then you are only getting someone elses opinion. Different testers have different opinions. Motor Trend, Car and Driver and Road and Track all do comparisons with subjective rankings. A seat that may fit one person poorly may fit another perfectly. It isn't uncommon to have a slower car with lower handling limits win these comparison due to subjective ratings. You are the only one who knows what is right for you. Maybe your idea of handling is a safe understeering car that will keep you out of trouble when you exceed the limits or maybe a car feels to handle well because you've never had anything comparable to compare it too. You have to decide this for yourself and what your individual criteria is.
I will never though comment about the engine in an E46 M3 not being better than the VQ35. It is more powerful. I am still shocked about the amount of noticeable torque after shifting up a gear. The engine was simply far more impressive driving it than the magazine numbers tell. It would have left a better impression if it didn't understeer so bad. I drove an E36 M3 several years ago and it was wonderfully neutral. For 05' there is a handling package that may fix this noticeable flaw.
It is the total experience I am personally looking for. I have driven 2 Z06's. One of the 2 pulled so hard it felt like it was going to rip the tires off the wheels all the way through 3rd. The other one was not that strong. Yes they have performance, but both were extremely noisy, rough, had annoying shakes and just didn't feel comfortable. I feel like I am getting half a car when I drive them.
I drove a regular 320 hp standard suspension 911 and it was a similar experience. Some of this was due to too controlled of a test drive by the salesman. I couldn't really push it like I wanted too. It did everything well, but felt like it could have improvement. The 40th Anniversary with the sport chassis and X51 345 hp engine was a gem. It was extremely tight with great turn-in, much tighter than the base car. It had almost no body roll with tremedous limits and still a smooth ride. The brakes were tight. The normal engine feels smooth and linera, but the X51 engine comes noticeably hard on cam above 4000 rpms and never felt slow down low. Last it was comfortable. The seat was comfortable to sit. The shifter and steering wheel had good positions and felt right when they moved, although the shifter was a little long. It was also quiet and tight. The 14-speaker Bose stereo and voice controlled Nav just seemed to compliment and finish the package. It had no weaknesses and this is what makes an impression on me.
After driving a dozen cars last year, I chose a G35 Coupe because it has no weaknesses too. It handles, brakes and accelerates well with good comfort and feel. It isn't necessarily the highest in every category, but it doesn't do anything wrong and did everything better than the 330Ci for less money. I raised my expectations higher with the M3 and found it only did 1 thing better. If they could improve on the other 2, I might become an M3 owner.
As a last note, the slightly used (under 2K miles) 40th Anniversary 911 I drove was $76K. If you think that is sticker shock, the car listed for $96K. I couldn't justify this amount for that car. But if it was $60K, it would have immediately taken my G35's place in the garage. The experience of driving it has still left such an impression on me that I am watching resales now that the 997 model is out. If the prices fall, don't expect the G35 to stay around...until then I am still happy with my compromise.
04' G35 Coupe 6-sp
Diamond Graphite/Willow w/Premium
#53
Re: 05 coupe or used M3?
Reasons for a m3
Both are safe cars but I place my bets on germans when it comes to crashes
I spend insanely amount of time in a car so when I am stuck in traffic I rather be marveling at the nice material quality.
The bmw experience. See what the big fuss is about. We only live once how often do you really get to own an nice car. (too many bills to pay for and kids)
I don't ever want the feeling, I came so close to getting a m3 I should have gotten it. (In this case, you should ahve gotten the m3 to begin with) It is the sports coupe bench mark.
The bling factor, everyone is superficial and materialistic. (Don't argue with me on this one. If you aren't you would have purchased the sti or evo ;-)
Reasons not to get one
Expensive to maintain when warranty runs out
Might spent more time in the shop than driving. (If you buy used 01 to 03.5)
New e90 m3 is around the corner
(62000-38000)*1.06^(20) = Money you could have gotten if you saved the difference.
BMW haters will want to race or key your car all the time.
You might become too obessed in parking hella far, spending way too much time waxing, conditioning your 60k dollar investment. (Lack of life)
Both are safe cars but I place my bets on germans when it comes to crashes
I spend insanely amount of time in a car so when I am stuck in traffic I rather be marveling at the nice material quality.
The bmw experience. See what the big fuss is about. We only live once how often do you really get to own an nice car. (too many bills to pay for and kids)
I don't ever want the feeling, I came so close to getting a m3 I should have gotten it. (In this case, you should ahve gotten the m3 to begin with) It is the sports coupe bench mark.
The bling factor, everyone is superficial and materialistic. (Don't argue with me on this one. If you aren't you would have purchased the sti or evo ;-)
Reasons not to get one
Expensive to maintain when warranty runs out
Might spent more time in the shop than driving. (If you buy used 01 to 03.5)
New e90 m3 is around the corner
(62000-38000)*1.06^(20) = Money you could have gotten if you saved the difference.
BMW haters will want to race or key your car all the time.
You might become too obessed in parking hella far, spending way too much time waxing, conditioning your 60k dollar investment. (Lack of life)
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