05 6MT gets my vote....but I think $34k is less than invoice on a 6MT....that may be the invoice on the 5at, but i am fairly certain that a 6MT invoice is closer $36k due to its higher demand....I could be wrong, I went with an 03....

 

$36k is the invoice fully loaded.....you can get it for $34 without a nav.

 

ahh...I see

 

Exactly, I don't need nav. I am an impatient man. I guess I should for something I really like huh?

 

Yeah, i think ive used my nav like 3 times.........but since i leased my car and it only raised my payments like $10/month, it was worth it.

 

I went with an 03 1. i bought it in 04 the 05's werent gonna be out for atleast another 6 mos. i know the 05's have awsome brakes but i like my brembos they set it off a little more. i would opt for the 05 now though. still love the 03 though. i dont use the nav that much but i like to look at it i usually knwo where im going. used it a few times. i like the vehicle info though. teh mpg and distance til empty all that crap.

 

Correct me if am wrong, but the 05s no longer have brembos? Do they have somthing eqv or better?

 

the 05's do not have brembos. but i read somewhere that they stop better. i dunno but thats what i read. the brembo thing was one of the reasons i havent traded for an 05 they alwasy ask me and i always say no.

 

supposedly the 05 brakes have been redesigned from the 03-04 non-brembos...

 

they don't necissarily stop better.........well they probably do stop better than the '03-04 auto's

 

The '05 brakes are A LOT more linear and less grabby than the '03/04 5AT, and have A LOT less brake dust... Never driven a Brembo-equipped 6MT, so I can't compare them to the Brembos, but Brembos aren't there to provide a smaller stopping distance. They're there to provide a better, higher performance, more fade resistant braking system overall. Brembos have fixed 4 front, 2 rear piston calipers vs. OEM floating single piston.

And I don't know why every "what should I buy" thread always has to turn into a "03/04 against '05" thread.

 

because teh 04's are superior and we all know it...lol

 

When you do the baseline dyno for the '05 6MT, we'll be vindicated Btw I don't know how you're holding out for the Z tube till May.. that thing brought my coupe to life, I love it.

 

The brakes on my '05 are just amazing. The linearity is the best I have ever driven with. Early days so who knows what the rotors will look like after 20k miles. Nevertheless as far as stopping performance goes it's just a question of "...how fast do you want to stop?"

Brembo's are great at first but in my experience they come with a big cost of ownership over a few k miles, and you must like brake dust. Those are two of the reasons why Nissan got away from them ASAP. Others will follow, I think.

 

^ wow, really? i don't know anything about braking systems but everyone's always talking about brembos this and brembos that. even acura's putting them in their new CRV-derived RDX mini sport-ute (as if!). if that's the case, then it's probably good that nissan got away from them!