g35 or carrera S u like?
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Originally Posted by giddyup69
sorry... i still don't understand u. the pccb's are found on the carrera gt and high end 911's as standard equipment but u claim they suck for the track? makes no sense to me. your right on another note though... when i said 'failing' i was talking about wear and tear on the pads... same for the pccb's. should have been more clear though. also, the 8k u pay for the pccb's is for the entire brake upgrade... not the pads. i'll still back-up the claim of the pccb's out-performing any other brakes out there. post some actual evidence that you have showing these braking systems cracking/failing, otherwise no point in arguing anymore on either side. (i'm not here to start thread fights... sorry if i've done that). cheers .
I do not doubt that a good PCCB system will outperform other systems on the track. The performance is proven and unquestionable.
Now having said that, read here to learn about PCCB cracking:
http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforum...hreadid=119474
I'll quote the key points:
"Well folks, after about 9000 track miles my 2002 GT2 ceramic rotors have been judged "kaput". That's German for no longer useable. MY car has about 12,000 total miles now (20,000 KM). I think this makes me the longevity winner on this forum as we've read about premature failures at 3,000 to 5,000 total miles."
"Porsche Cars is standing on the warranty which says that track use voids the 185,000 mile or 300,000 KM warranty on PCCB. They do review these claims on a case by case basis and there is a chance that you might get a replacement set based on extenuating circumstances but, don't count on it.
If you have PCCB and you do track the car, I strongly suggest that you remove the ceramic rotors - put them in a safe place for re-sale time and install steel rotors."
"The important thing is that rotors on a track car wear out - PCCB or not. The ceramic system probably lasts "forever" on a street driven car and is guaranteed by Porsche to do exactly that, but not on a track car. The conversion to steel costs less than the price of a single ceramic rotor. Replacement steel rotors cost anywhere from $280 (US) to $400 depending on where you buy them. A new ceramic rotors costs about $8,500 US or $10,700 Canadian."
Evidence gathered on that board, and on 6speedonline, suggests that PCCB rotors do not last as long as steel. Combine that with a 10x cost differential to replace, and it becomes so expensive that for many it's not worth it, whether or not they can afford it.
I don't want to sound like I'm spreading rumors or anything. If you want more evidence I'll get it.
Edit: here's another thread:
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/s...?threadid=8047
I'm not sure if the newest PCCB system is improved or not.
Last edited by tekknikal; 04-22-2005 at 10:39 AM.
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Originally Posted by Vir2L
Either way the 911 Carrera S is dead sexy and wheels are wheels it still looks phenominal and honestly ur kidding urself if people really wanna give the G a look when a Carrera S is right next to it.
The 911 is one of the best performance cars being built today though, engineering wise.
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