GeeWillikers, it is douchbag$ like yourself that unfortunately the educated/suffisticated people on this forum have to deal with.

Why don't you do us all a favor and sell your G35 so that we do not have to deal with your Bull$hit on this forum. Go flex your little guns elsewhere and please, go buy a Honda Civic. I am sure that you would fit in just perfectly over on their forums.

 

I hope you can get a lot more miles out of your clutch. I ran across this article about clutches and thought it might be of interest. Especially since it describes how to evaluate the condition of a clutch outside of a service bay.

http://www.babcox.com/editorial/ic/ic100237.htm

PS I once jumped over a tennis court net in college to impress a girl. You guessed it, I broke my wrist. We've all made mistakes.

Good luck,

Cale

 

+1 I agree.

 

1 - I do know what I'm talking about. The guy talks about spinning u-turns in the street to show off. I'm very familiar with this - it's called improper handling of an automobile, reckless driving, careless driving - name your label. It has no place on a public street.

2 - I've been driving manuals since about 1973 (+/-), so let's not talk about who is familiar with what. We'll let that dog lie, okay?

3 - All the little fanboys pulling this kinda crap in the street gives the G a personality with law enforcement. Go count all the threads here where guys claim to be 'unjustifiably singled out' by cops for tickets or attention... Now why do you think that is? Possibly because of dolts that want to play speed racer on the interstate, street race, or 'show off' spinning u-turns in the street perhaps? Naww, BS. The cops 'just don't like us.' Yeah, right..

As a G driver, this adolescent crap reflects on me, it reflects on my insurance rates, and therefore it IS my business. I'll call a spade a spade in a minute when that's the case. This guy was behaving like a juvenile. His antics don't belong on a public street. Explain to me why they do, and I'll recant.

4 - Granted - you're right. It's his G and he can drive it however he sees fit. He can spin all the u-turns his smokey clutch can handle as long as he stays off the public right-of-way. When he comes onto streets paved with tax dollars he needs to follow the law. If he chooses not to and posts his scoff-law behavior in a public forum he should expect to see opinions contrary to his own - as should you. I call it like I see it. If you support this kind of idiocy, add yourself into the group with him.

5 - You want to rev your clutch to 3500 and 'launch?' Be my guest. When your car doesn't perform properly, my original statement holds true, I'd love to be a fly on the wall when you try to explain it to the service department. Of course you aren't going to be truthful - you'll likely make up some BS story to cover your foolishness so service doesn't kick your 'non-warranty-covered-foolishness' out of the bay.

(maintenance guy) 'So, you say you were spinning U-Turns and you couldn't engage second gear huh?
(boy racer) 'Eggs-actly dood, I wanted to nail second and continue my smokey burnout all the way down the street. My homeboys were watching and it would have been the coolest thing everrrrrrr.'
(maintenance guy) 'And you want me to fix your fried clutch under warranty? I don't think so. Now please get the FOCK out of here, I have real work to do.'

Priceless.

I looked in my manual last night and couldn't find factory approved 'launching procedures,' any procedure that involves engaging the clutch at 3500 RPM, or anything close. Could you please direct me to the page and paragraph that tells you the 6MT was designed to be operated in this fashion? No? Then do it all you want, just don't try to call it a defect when it doesn't work the way you want it to. Maybe the problem is the driver's (lack of) skill and not the car. (no, that couldn't be it..) Or maybe, just maybe, the G35 isn't a RACE CAR.. (no, say it ain't so)..

6 - Crap like this gives everyday G drivers a bad name. I'm one of 'em. You want to stand up and support idiocy that could be the difference between a ticket or no ticket for YOU the next time, be my guest. I like to establish my own reputation, not have it pre-determined for me by immature antics from boy-racer and his 'crew.' You're one of the 'sidelines' kinda guys that would rather be 'cool' than do the right thing. That's your choice. I outgrew this silliness about 25 years ago so pardon me if I don't support your perspective.

Keep those cards and letters coming.

 

If you want to identify yourself as being educated and sophisticated in a public forum and want to be taken seriously, please invest in spell check.

You have your opinion and I have mine. Unfortunately for you, the law supports my position and makes revenue opposing yours. Keep feeding the machine - maybe my property taxes will go down.

If my opinion offends you, use the block feature. It's easy to use and doesn't require accuracy in spelling or grammar so it should be right up your alley.

 

You're welcome. I'm a speedy guy - it's one of my wife's biggest complaints.

My post was in response to the manner in which the individual got himself into the position he did. In my world, his behavior deserved disdain, not consideration.

If this had been a 'my clutch doesn't work under normal operation' thread, that's one thing. In that case it would have received a different response. Instead it was a 'I was using my car in a manner for which it wasn't designed' thread, so it got the response it deserved for the reasons I've already stated.

It's like putting an aircraft into a 350 knot dive that is not designed to dive at 350 knots. When the wings depart the fuselage, don't cry about it. Pop the chute, hope for the best, sucks to be you. Not a valid complaint. If the wings fall off while you're sitting on the taxiway then we'd have a different conversation. In this thread, the OP was diving at 350 knots.

The idiocy of his motivator (showing off) negated the credibility of his complaint. You want to try to pry a manhole open with a pocketknife, fine - just don't whine when the blade breaks.

Finally, sometimes silence implies consent. You addressed the 'flaw' without commenting on the behavior. That's fine - until you direct your retort to someone (me in this case) who has commented on the behavior. In that case it appears (at least to me) that by saying nothing you are excusing the behavior if not endorsing it.

Now.

I answered this above.. No time to deal in hypotheticals - but I will say that every mechanical thing has its limitations. If you're telling me that this clutch wanders into la-la land under normal operation I won't dispute it - this manual tranny is all over the map when it comes to performance and if I owned one that displayed HALF of what I read here I'd be concerned. HOWEVER - nowhere does Nissan promise that this car will do (as you say) 'what the driver is attempting to make it do' and I doubt they'll support any claim of faulty clutch operation under the circumstances described in the OP here. THIS ISN'T A RACE CAR and you shouldn't be surprised when it doesn't perform like one.

I'm not exactly sure what you're saying here - 70s and 80s cars weren't so bad. The first manual I drove was a 196X Dodge pickup with a 3 speed on the column (3 onna tree) - fun stuff. The first car I owned was a 1972 El Camino with a 350/4 barrel. It would spin the rears so hard the entire rear end would hop off the ground. It ate Tiger Paw 70s like breath mints. I'd love to have that car today. But enough nostalgia.

IMO it's hard enough to define a design flaw (and get a MFR to admit to one - see the years of G35 brake complaints as an example) under the best of circumstances, much less during a smoky display of testosterone. In order to define a problem, you start with normal operation. This post didn't describe normal operation. Here, there DRIVER was the flaw and my post to him reflected that opinion. Definitely bully for me WRT how things work.

Not the issue TO YOU. To me there was no other issue here. See my comment about the manhole. Proper tool, proper job, or no whining. Simple.

You're right, you can. Launch away - just don't cry when you car eats it's drivetrain. You break parts, you buy parts - it's easy to live in my world. If I choose to go screwing around then the consequences are (get ready) MY FAULT. You never said it was the ideal range to launch, nor did I make that accusation. You said:

Just rev the car to somewhere over, say, 3.5k, and try to launch.

As if the car was designed to perform ideally under these circumstances. It's my opinion that the car may or may not perform under those conditions, but if it isn't an 'approved procedure' then we're back to the proper tool/proper job scenario. If the clutch came through the floorboard and the tranny fell out on the street Nissan could justifiably stand in the service bay and flip you the bird. That was my point.

 

QUOTE=AdamsInfiniti]I think we're just coming at this from different angles. ... [/QUOTE]

I hope I can tread gently into this and pose a question.

Does not anyone else find it unusual that virtually all of the persons that post these problems are first of all "relatively inexperienced" (I hope that is gently put. ) in operating a manual transmission and secondly they were trying to "push the (performance) envelope" a little.

Many then seemingly accept both the description of the event and the diagnosis of a clutch problem as gospel.

In this particular thread, if we assume the smell was in fact that of burning rubber, it may simply be that a "relatively inexperienced" driver missed a shift - it has happened or will happen to us all eventually. (I've been driving mostly shift for nearly 50 years and while I feel comfortable so doing, I still occasionally screw up - as difficult, I'm sure, as it is for you to believe that. )

I would be interested in hearing of any clutch problems from drivers with many years experience on a MT and particularly from those that also tend to drive a little more aggressive than most. The threads about problems when shifting into neutral at 80 mph or at 6000+ RPM or seemingly missing a shift or difficulty in starting out from a complete stop and how that's a clutch "problem" are of little or no interest to at least some of us.

 

Of course we are...

 

To me it is surprising that the G/Z can't take high rpm launches. A 3500rpm launch really is nothing. If I owned one, I'd surely be launching at least 4000rpms with a bit of clutch slippage at the track. I launched my 96 Maxima at 4000-4500rpms. I had about 80 passes with launches like that, the clutch was OEM, and had 113K miles on it when the car was sold. The clutch never slipped. I have no idea what the problem is with these 6MTs, but these constant problems are much the reason I passed up two 6MTs when looking at G sedans. There are clearly multiple flaws within this tranny that Nissan can't seem to resolve.

As for the F&F stunt and the resulting burning of the clutch at the stake, I'm not scold anyone. BUT what most likely happened is that the tires were a blaze in 1st with the car hardly moving and when he shifted to 2nd at WOT, the tires grabbed traction, but the 3,500lb car was only going about 5mph. Since the weight of a hardly moving car greatly overcomes the rotational inertia of the motor/clutch components, the clutch becomes a weak link and can't grab against the weight of the car. The clutch gives up and slips.

Damage? Hell yeah there's damage. The heat generated when the clutch is slipping like that is extreme. The clutch pad material surely got fried and glazed and the clutch disc probably "blued" from all the heat. The flywheel probably has some nice scoring. You guys say a couple thousand miles might have burned off the clutch. I say more like 10-20K miles. Any OEM clutch should last 80-100K miles with slightly aggressive driving and 100-150K with light driving.

 

Or the young man missed his shift.