G35 Coupe V35 2003 - 07 Discussion about the 1st Generation V35 G35 Coupe

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Old Jun 8, 2005 | 10:09 PM
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I take it this is your first RWD?


Cause if that's the case, you really don't know how to handle it. First, you need to downshift to second escpecially with VDC off. As you turn you let go of gas, down shift, then as you COME out of the turn, you start back on the gas....you never floor it ON the turn or else you will always throw your back out...this is normal, it's only about skill.

Same thing would have happened if you were on the lowest springs possible. Its all the driver. Just hope you'll be ok when rainy season comes. Plus weren't you saying you wanted an S2K recently?
 
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Old Jun 8, 2005 | 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Ja_Ja_Genau
HAHAHA - Canyons
There is a kid like you on VW forums, he drives a 2.0L 4 cyl jetta .. he also says " your cars mean ****. In canyons I own ya all "
you two should meet

If your honda is so great why are you here? Where is the logic?

Go get yourself a honda ... and be happy with it.
not even canyons, it was turns, corners, fwy, you name it i can zig like crazy, Id prolly be in my Honda if it didnt get stolen, here look at my past baby

http://www.sounddomain.com/ride/605797

It handled, and drove like a dream. Only thing was the torque and the seats

your sayin HONDA like you got somethin Insane Infiniti, S2k is Honda, NSX is pretty much honda, your nissan/infiniti is that not that far off a Honda, you dont have a ferrari or porshce so stop actin like it, i had both cars so i can state my opinion since you never drove the other, your in no position
 

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Old Jun 8, 2005 | 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Gee Im Fast
I take it this is your first RWD?


Cause if that's the case, you really don't know how to handle it. First, you need to downshift to second escpecially with VDC off. As you turn you let go of gas, down shift, then as you COME out of the turn, you start back on the gas....you never floor it ON the turn or else you will always throw your back out...this is normal, it's only about skill.

Same thing would have happened if you were on the lowest springs possible. Its all the driver. Just hope you'll be ok when rainy season comes. Plus weren't you saying you wanted an S2K recently?
ya i was, but i was going to lose to much money, its wasnt worth it
 
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Old Jun 8, 2005 | 10:16 PM
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It's pretty easy to spin a FWD car as well as a RWD. FWD responds very poorly to lift throttle oversteer. However, the FWD VDC will help a bunch. As far as the G goes, the VDC off pretty much turns everything off. Interesting dynamics take place in a turn. Did you lift off mid turn? Did you hit the brake? Did you go in to the turn too fast in the wrong gear? Best way in fast is to carry speed in a straight line then brake at the last minute, hard. Shift to lower gear and accelerate from the apex of the turn S M O O T H L Y. Car rotates nicely. The G is very well balanced. with almost 50-50 weight distribution. FWD cars are notoriously heavy in the noice closer to 65-35, hence plowing.
 
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Old Jun 8, 2005 | 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Gee Im Fast
I take it this is your first RWD?


Cause if that's the case, you really don't know how to handle it. First, you need to downshift to second escpecially with VDC off. As you turn you let go of gas, down shift, then as you COME out of the turn, you start back on the gas....you never floor it ON the turn or else you will always throw your back out...this is normal, it's only about skill.

Same thing would have happened if you were on the lowest springs possible. Its all the driver. Just hope you'll be ok when rainy season comes. Plus weren't you saying you wanted an S2K recently?
see i never knew you cant gas it while making a sharp turn, i had a RWD Mustang as i first car but never had that problem
 
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Old Jun 8, 2005 | 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by TheGest
see i never knew you cant gas it while making a sharp turn, i had a RWD Mustang as i first car but never had that problem
The key is to slowly apply the power. SMOOTHLY...the car will reward you.

PS I had an Acura CL-S before the Infiniti. Before that 98 Maxima 5 speed.
 
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Old Jun 8, 2005 | 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by TheGest
see i never knew you cant gas it while making a sharp turn, i had a RWD Mustang as i first car but never had that problem
It's all about the traction circle. Your tires only have a limited amount of traction at any given time. If 100% traction is being used to turn, then any acceleration or deceleration will result in loss of traction. Proper driving technique in any car is to link the throttle and steering input - as you unwind the wheel, you slowly increase throttle input eg. if you are using 90% traction for turning, you can apply 10% throttle and so on. A FWD car is less sensitive to this and does require a level of roughness to be fast.
 
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Old Jun 8, 2005 | 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by gto2050
It's pretty easy to spin a FWD car as well as a RWD. FWD responds very poorly to lift throttle oversteer.
I had a huge rear swaybar and and stiff rear suspension on my teg. Any lift mid-corner would cause rotation.
 
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Old Jun 8, 2005 | 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Balzz
It's all about the traction circle. Your tires only have a limited amount of traction at any given time. If 100% traction is being used to turn, then any acceleration or deceleration will result in loss of traction. Proper driving technique in any car is to link the throttle and steering input - as you unwind the wheel, you slowly increase throttle input eg. if you are using 90% traction for turning, you can apply 10% throttle and so on. A FWD car is less sensitive to this and does require a level of roughness to be fast.
Well put, Shane...right outa Skip Barber!
 
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Old Jun 8, 2005 | 10:23 PM
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damn thnx guys alot of good info
 
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Old Jun 8, 2005 | 10:26 PM
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If you can afford it, take a performance driving course through either Skip Barber or Bob Bondurant. You will never regret it. I took my 18 year old son last summer and he had a ball and learned a lot. I feel much better about him driving now. It's about $1200 for 2 days. Well worth it and it will get you a reduction in your car insurance.
 
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Old Jun 8, 2005 | 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by gto2050
If you can afford it, take a performance driving course through either Skip Barber or Bob Bondurant. You will never regret it. I took my 18 year old son last summer and he had a ball and learned a lot. I feel much better about him driving now. It's about $1200 for 2 days. Well worth it and it will get you a reduction in your car insurance.

are there any in Los Angeles area?
 
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Old Jun 8, 2005 | 10:29 PM
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ya bud, i hear ya !

my Prelude was sweet also and im a fish out of water with the rear wheel drive car.

these guys sound like they know of what they speak, though it'll take years before i'm happy with my rear wheel driving skills.

ppp
 
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Old Jun 8, 2005 | 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by gto2050
Well put, Shane...right outa Skip Barber!


The G35 is my first RWD car too...RWD definitely rewards smoothness and I'm appreciating it more and more with every event I participate in. No more ham-fisted inputs like I did in the Integra. With FWD, the only way the car would spin as if I did something like slam on the brakes in mid corner. If I applied too much throttle, the car would just understeer, so I would just turn the steering wheel more and it masked a lot of poor driving habits.
 
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Old Jun 8, 2005 | 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by TheGest
are there any in Los Angeles area?
You have a better chance there than I do in NJ. Bondurant is in Phoenix but I bet either Skip Barber, Bertil Roos or one of the other schools are there. Look in the middle pages of an Autoweek or the back pages of Car and Driver. They are probably listed there.
 
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