Not sure if this was repost, but interesting article I came across. Pay attention to the numbers for the TL. Hope this doesn't happen to the G!!

http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=384913

 

Ouch. It won't happen to our cars. It's a well-known dyno-proven fact that the initial 270hp Acura/Honda claimed were overstated.

 

Its just a new way of measuring hp. I have no idea why they would do that. Its bad for marketing i think. I hope nissan/infiniti doesnt adopt the same thing.

 

I agree, I think it's a bad idea as well. Kinda lose faith in the numbers they were previously advertising. However, I heard the Z06's numbers went up on this new system!!

 

Say what, like 500hp wasn't enough

 

It's bad for the marketing department, but it's probably better for the consumers in the long run, if you can have a more standardized way of measuring horsepower.

And yeah, the Acura TL guys have already gone nuts over this. Suddenly the G35 and Acura TL are not direct competitors.

http://tl.acurazine.com/forums/showt...&page=11&pp=25

 

You guys are acting like its the end of the world. Back in the 60's and 70's engine hp was measured SAE gross, with a stand alone engine and no emissions, water pump etc hooked up. So all those cobra jets and hemis making 400+ hp didnt really make that much. Then came the SAE net standard which was followed till this year. ALL manufacturers will have to report using the same standard. The new standard addresses what kind of timing, ignition maps, what octane fuel etc can be used. Some manufacturers who were using advanced timing and 100 octane fuel to get their numbers will have to report lower numbers and those who were playing by the rules and duplicating the conditions that they would expect consumers to experience will not show significant changes. Its not like the ford or mazda fiasco where they advertised one hp number but the car actually made a diff number due to inefficent parts etc. Will Nissan/Infiniti have lowers number by the new standards? Hopefully not, but we can soon tell who was playing by the rules and who was doing some creative tuning for benchmark numbers.

 

Even if it does get rated lower... your G isn't going to slow down. #'s sell cars so they probably took what they could get when reporting hp/tq numbers.

 

rsx less horsepower now

 

This is going to confuse car shoppers because you cannot directly compare the HP from an Acura vs. a Nissan and others now.

 

No wonder my G pulled out a can of whoop *** every time I've ever mixed it up with a TL.

 

its not like the engine for the TL or the G gonna change. If ya'll whooped a TL b4, maybe by a car r 2, u still gonna do the same. Regardless of whether the 298hp is gonna get rated down to like 280 or 290, its still gonna be same results. Wait till the new versions come out, maybe u'll get the REAL 300hp.

Personally I still rather just see car manufactures rate cars at the wheels. Crank hp really does u no good. People dyno their cars all the time. Why dont we have a set standard to expect when we go buy cars? It sux when you buy a G35 for 298hp, but on the dyno, its more like 240+.

BTW, a TL may be rated at 270 before, and now down to 258. However, their DynoJet runs still get 222, which is a much less power loss. They loss is much less than that of a G35s. By lowering the hp #s by the new SAE ratings, u'll actually see some improvements in the powerloss the tranny actually has on the car. For those cars that gained hp from the new ratings, that means their trannies actually suck more b/c on the dyno, it'll show they have a much greater power loss.

 

I agree that car manufacturers should rate horsepower at the wheels, but it'll never happen. Imagine the amount of complaints/lawsuits they would have if consumers can now "prove" that their cars don't make the advertised amount of power. Right now very few people would pull the engine out of their car to rate the power, so it's much harder to prove that your engine doesn't make 280 or 298 at the crank.

Then you have to add on the fact that dynos will read different numbers even on the same exact car. It'd open up a a big can of mess for manufacturers.

 

In most if not all cases in the mid to late sixtys even though they were using the sae gross standard on muscle cars they normally posted the hp numbers with the engine in the 2500 rpm range to keep the insurance compainies off their backs. If anyone thinks a 68 426 hemi or a 70 chevy 454 LS6 was making any less than 550 to 600 hp you are wrong. All the motors in the muscle cars in that era were rated much much lower in hp than they actually produced.