I hate scumbags that have no regard for other people's cars.

Now that I think about it, YOU were as much (if not more) of a scumbag than the Jeep owner.

If a door ding causes you to fly off the handle THAT much, I'd hate to be near you when something serious happens in your life.

Go seek counseling or something.....

 

frosty you need some mental help. if the rear passenger side hit you, it was probably a little kid being driven by his mommy in the SUV... it could have been anything.


<font color=green>-Rambo</font color=green>
G35c 6MT DG/Willow/Grounding Kit

 

Frosty, I would have to say, if you are 100% sure it's the white suv then, you did good.

Back in 1999 after waiting 1 month of waiting to get my subaru svx back from the body shop from being rear ended by a tail gater driver, on the same day that I got it back I drove it very carefully to Alberson, after shopping for grocery for about 20 minutes, I came out just to see a MOTHERFU-KING camry parked kissing my front bumper. The parking space were facing either other separated by a solid white line with out any concrete stoppers. That driver did not even move their car back and just lefted it bumper touching bumper. Now, I was at least park 1 foot park from the white line and that other driver drove into my parking space and kissed my front bumper leaving two indentations from the license plate screws. What pissed me off the most was that he left it the way it is and left it touching each other. To make a long story short. I waited for 30 minutes for them to come out while my milk is going bad and my ice cream is melting. Finally a couple in their 40's came toward the car and I was calm and collected walked toward them and told them that they have drove into my parking space and hit my front bumper. They simply looked at it and said that I drove into their front bumper. Say, what motherfu-ker.
I was so pissed that I would have probably gone through a killing rage that day. Now, I'm 6' 1" 240 Lbs and the other guy was 5' 6". He actually said what do you want to do about it, you hit my car. Now, my SVX worth $20,000 plus, his 92 camry $10,000 giving him the benifit of the doult. So, instead of squashing the guy and his wife because the wife was saying the same [censored] that I hit them, I called the cops. 1 hour later the cops arrived and by now my milk is bad and my ice cream have melted through my paper grocery bag. The cops said simply exchange insurance card. Now, I even took pictures because I always carry a camera around for these kind of situations. We finally left the scene and I was going completely crazy.

To make a long story short, their insurance company called me in, so I drove 40 minutes to their office. 3 days later they called and said oh too bad they are not at fault, we have no prove even though we have pictures they said we could have take it at our favorable angle. So, I was out of luck and even more pissed off now.

The moral of it is, if I had my chance I would of Fu-k-up that car.

Thank guys, I fell better now, its finally off my chest.

 

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Clearly, this was an overreaction by this person.

"The dinger-person probably gave it no thought, and like most people, has lots of dings on their car and doesn't care."

Well thats the entire point, They SHOULD GIVE IT THOUGHT and SHOULD CARE. The added speculation that this was possibly done by a child dosen't make it ANY BETTER. Childern HAVE parents and need to be supervised. Parents are responsible for the actions of their minor childen.

Just because I may have no regard for someone else's property dosen't give me the right to be careless, negligent and damage it.

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Your definition of "careless negligent damage" is unfortunately not everyone's. Ever see the bumper sticker that says "a clean car is a sign of a sick mind"? In some people's realities a car is transportation and nothing more; an appliance. How worked up do YOU get about a scratch on your microwave? Me neither.

All you have to do is see what "mint condition" means to different people to grasp this. I once looked at a used car for sale after the young woman owner assured me that it had absolutely no damage whatsoever. When I saw it it was immediately apparent that it needed at least a grand in minor body work. I really don't think the woman deliberately deceived me though. I honestly believe that in her eyes, it was perfectly fine. "Damage" to her would have probably meant a large, obvious dent. That was her reality, car-wise, and no, she didn't appear to be at all insane.

Characterizing the poster's SUV owner in such harsh terms assumes they see cars as you (and I) do; as personal treasures to be lovingly preserved and cared for. The majority of drivers are nowhere near this threshold. I hate to break it to you, but saying "They SHOULD GIVE IT THOUGHT and SHOULD CARE" plus $2 will get you a ride on the NYC subway system, my friend. It's up to THEM, not you, to decide what their definition of "damage" is, and if it surprises you when it turns out to be different from yours, it shouldn't.

To some on this board, "swirl marks" (from washing, of all things) are serious, worrisome "damage". Some other people have scratches and dings all over their cars and never give it a moment's thought. For them, if it's door ding versus a long walk to the mall entrance, they'll take the ding, thank you very much. When one of these types dings YOUR door it's likewise a non-event to them. In their world door dings just aren't any more of a factor than scuffs on the bottoms of their shoes.

Unfortunately, your point of view on the situation isn't any "righter" than theirs either. It's just different.

As far as their kids are concerned, ever had any? How many times do you think you'd have to tell them to be careful opening the car door before they'd get the idea and never ding an adjacent car again? If you answered "an infinite number" you get the prize. Most parents have WAY too many important things to hassle their kids about for this issue to be anything more than a small blip on their radar screens.

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I am in no way condoning these actions. But lets consider this... this ENTIRE incident could have been avoided by either

A) this SUV owner parking somewhere else/ not as close.
B) SUV owner being less careless when opening their door.
C) leaving a NOTE with the driver's information and claiming responsibility for the damage.

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Wrong on all counts. The ONLY way to have prevented this was for the POSTER to park his car where such damage would be (virtually) impossible. By choosing a parallel spot he opened the door (pun intended) to the consequences, and he should have known better than to take such a risk if he feels so strongly about dings. His reaction under the circumstances was inexcusable to say the least.

Clearly, you and I both care passionately about our G35s, and take great care not to ding others' cars. That's OUR reality, but other people are entitled to theirs. It would be the height of arrogance to insist that the rest of the world must feel the same way as we do about our cars.

 

Yeah, somebody bumper-dinged my wife's '02 Sequoia and left. It's not much of a scratch (the bumper mark buffed out), but that's not the point. It's damage, you did it, you should have been more careful and to top it off, you snuck away like a weasel or shrugged it off.

What causes psychotic reactions like the original poster's is that people are just too darned careless - about everything - nobody respects anything or anyone any more and it finally wells up into a burst of anger. People who are indifferent to the world, what their children are doing (especially in $50 a plate and better restauraunts), and shrug off damage as "part of life" are what cause this. I know I've grown to hate kids as a result of most parents' indifferent attitudes.

We're not all wired to just chalk it up to life, that's why there are laws regarding property damage. I'm not saying bashing in someone's hood is OK, but I can understand the urge to do it, especially when "justice" will probably not be served.

-- mike

2003 G35C 6MT Leather, BS, Prem

 

wow. you scare me enough to NOT park next to a fellow G. but then again, i really watch how i open my doors and car spacing.

silly question but... what is an Autolock and how much damage would it do to that hood?

oh and maybe if you saw Finding Nemo instead of Bad Boys 2 it would have put you in a more peaceful frame of mind. =)

 

bmw3 - i disagree with you. This is a matter of personal property damage. Its not even about "personal treasures." You don't have to be a nut about the condition of your vehicle to not want it damaged by someone elses carelessness. No matter what you say, its not right to damage someone elses property in that way. Considering you own car nothing more than transportation, or having a skewed idea of damage, or damaging a car being a "non event" to them IS NO EXCUSE.
This does no free them from liability for their actions.

As far as peoples children are concerned: I don't have children. The particular logistics of how a parent ensures their children DON'T DAMAGE PROPERTY is THEIR problem. Thats what being a parent is about. Ultimately they are liable.

You seem to imply that the G driver here did something WRONG by parking where he did. On the contrary he went out of his way to park far to avoid damage from carless people.

The suggestion that the G driver here "should have known better than to take such a risk" is just flat out wrong.

What risk did he take? Being extra careful and parking away from other drivers?

Thats like saying its your own fault for getting murdered, you should have known better than to leave the house!

These people in the SUV were negligent and they could have prevented the incident in at least 3 ways, by them just paying attention.

Again, I don't agree with his actions after finding the ding in any way.


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I can understand what this guy is feeling, because I was just about homocidal when this same **** happened to me. Not saying I support his actions or that I would do them myself, but I understand. The fact of the matter is, contrary to what people are saying - no matter how far back you park, it is not uncommon for people to park next to you. Not because they have to, but because they are curious. The G is particularly susceptible to this, so it's not fair to say he could have prevented it by just parking a mile away. Because I have parked a mile away dozens of times only to have someone still park next to me - even with no other cars around within 1000ft.

And like someone said....it's the carelessness of people that pisses me off. It would almost not be as bad if it were intentional, but the fact that people are so damn careless and indifferent to what they are doing that angers me. It pisses me off just thinking about people that don't think twice about slamming their door on another car, parking bumper-to-bumper, or not teaching their kids about these things.

Even when I drove a complete POS '91 dodge caravan (4-cyl!) in college I made sure to always leave a good distance between the cars next to me, and took careful consideration to never make contact with their cars. It should not be unreasonable to expect this from anyone else on the road.

 

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bmw3 - i disagree with you. This is a matter of personal property damage. Its not even about "personal treasures." You don't have to be a nut about the condition of your vehicle to not want it damaged by someone elses carelessness. No matter what you say, its not right to damage someone elses property in that way. Considering you own car nothing more than transportation, or having a skewed idea of damage, or damaging a car being a "non event" to them IS NO EXCUSE.
This does no free them from liability for their actions.

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The definition of "damage" is indeed the key thing here, and was the crux of my previous post.

If your G35 was black, and someone brushed against it, causing visible swirl marks in the multi-coat Zaino job you spent countless hours on, causing you to spend several more hours buffing it out and rewaxing, would that qualify as "negligent, careless damage"? To some it surely does. Not to me. Conversely, dings to some are as inconsequential as swirl marks would be to me. I hate door dings with a passion but it doesn't make my definition of them as "significant damage" any more valid than someone's who regards them as inconsequentially as I do swirl marks. A dented fender is a legally defined damage claim with associated costs, but door dings may not be.

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You seem to imply that the G driver here did something WRONG by parking where he did. On the contrary he went out of his way to park far to avoid damage from carless people. The suggestion that the G driver here "should have known better than to take such a risk" is just flat out wrong. What risk did he take? Being extra careful and parking away from other drivers?


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I should have re-read the post and noted where he said he parked. Nonetheless, the lot filled up (they do that) and his safe zone went away. The only way to deal with it is to park where such situations (virtually) CAN'T develop, like where there are no spaces alongside and little chance of being "ended", like between other fixed objects like columns or curbs. Otherwise you're vulnerable, and **** could happen.

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Thats like saying its your own fault for getting murdered, you should have known better than to leave the house!

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If you're an American soldier living in Iraq right now, that would be all too true. Parking lots might as well be ding-battlefields. You WILL quite possibly get door dinged if you go there and park parallel to other spaces, even if it's in an area that's empty at the time you do. Extraordinary measures are usually called for.

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These people in the SUV were negligent and they could have prevented the incident in at least 3 ways, by them just paying attention.

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I agree they were negligent, and that they could very easily have prevented the damage. It's a shame that people do this so often. The kid factor is pretty much a wild card though, and it may well have been a kid at fault here, quite possibly unbeknownst to the parent. Kids simply can't be controlled beyond a certain point. Every parent knows this (by the way, I'm not a parent but have a lot of experience with kids).

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Again, I don't agree with his actions after finding the ding in any way.

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On this we certainly agree. Thanks for your response.

 

"The definition of "damage" is indeed the key thing here, and was the crux of my previous post.......A dented fender is a legally defined damage claim with associated costs, but door dings may not be."

Well, lets examine the definition of damage as it pertains to this matter. I believe most people would consider a "door ding" to be a form of a dent. At least thats what i picture in my mind when i hear "door ding." I'm thinking a round shaped indentation possibly with some paint removal. It is possible that the ding in question was less or more severe than this. Webster's definition of damage is:

"injury or harm to a person or thing, resulting in a loss in soundness or value"

I think we would all agree... your value of a car with NO dings is going to be higher than that of a car WITH dings. If the "door ding" was enough for this G owner to notice it immediately, I suspect others would too and it has, in fact, resulted in a loss of value in the car.

So why would a dented fender be considered damages, but not a "door ding" which in this case also appears to be a form of a dent? After all, it has resulted in loss of value.


"Nonetheless, the lot filled up (they do that) and his safe zone went away. The only way to deal with it is to park where such situations (virtually) CAN'T develop, like where there are no spaces alongside and little chance of being "ended", like between other fixed objects like columns or curbs. Otherwise you're vulnerable, and **** could happen. "

Ideally, yes, unfortunately, these spaces are NOT always available. Sounds like he did his best when he parked.


As far as kids and SUVs go.... If I own an SUV, kids or not, I'm recognizing that I have a large car and take up a larger than normal amount of space. In consideration of others, I'm gonna park further away to prevent these types of mishaps. NOT shoehorn my mammoth into the first spot I see, with no regard for anyone elses property. Again, thats just me.

Unfortunately, we live in world filled with people who are oblivious to what they are doing, how it affects others, and whats going on around them. Its sad.

 

for all those people bashing on the original poster, all i can say is that i can't wait to see your reactions when someone dings your car. once again, this self-righteousness and holier-than-thou mentality has taken over another post again.

i'm not condoning his actions, but i totally understand how he felt. i'm sorry but this is exactly why every other country hates us....bunch of hypocritical b$tches.

 

The last few replys are getting to long to read(I'll read them later) but I just have to say that the satisfaction of fu(king that jeep up must be way better that having to wait 1 hour for a cop to come and help you save a little 50$.

 

i agree wit montreal. that would definitely be more satisfying then waitin for cops.

Ordered: 2004 G35 Coupe 6MT * Diamond Graphite * Graphite Leather * Premium Package

 

haha g35girl...finding nemo

 

I always try to park near sport cars or very expensive cars thinking that "if I don't ding them they won't ding me". Seems to have worked well. Also as mentioned before leave more room for the driver side of the car next to you since there will always be a driver.

Regarding what happened, the guy/girl probably didn't even realise what he did and thought just some random hit his car. Leaving a note saying that you wrote down his plate and would like him to pay for the damage would have been probably be better. Oh well its a doggy dog world I guess.