Having an 05 and an 08 in the same garage and a previous 04, i can honestly say that the 08 is much faster, handles better, feels quicker, and the interior is miles nicer.

For some reason though, i prefer my 05... go figure.

Janik, I would say the reason you prefer it is because it is your car, not your parents, and you have done a lot of nice mods to it yourself. You have made it into something you want and have personalized it to your liking.

There is one other thing I'll hand to the loaner, it's an auto. I've recently been doing a lot more city driving and running through the gears is beginning to lose its appeal

Mike is right about autos thought, they adapt to the driver. I probably got a car that had been driven by some old man (no offense to the old men on the forum ).

Call me crazy, I still like my interior better.

As an aside, I have to say that this thread has shown me how civilized this forum is. I have been on many other forums where a difference of opinion like this would have resulted in bannable offenses and language that would make a truck driving sailor blush.

Maybe so, i love my car.

I've driven later model loaners (when my 04 was in for service), and even when they were technically nicer, I was just more comfortable in MY car. I know how it will handle to the foot, etc.

I have an appreciation for both the 1st and 2nd gen sedans. The first seem to be more sporty as where the 2nd are more luxurious. I like the looks of the 2nd gen a little more but what do you expect, the 1st gen came out 6 years ago.

I like the navi of the 07 better, but the 05-06 interior looks more original and sporty.

But the 07 is faster....

I don't mean to beat a dead horse but...

The VQ35HR is 308 hp and 268 ft/lbs, but 50 lbs heavier. The REVUP VQ35DE is 298 hp and 260 ft/lbs. MotorDyne claims the MREV2 + 5/16 spacer will add a minimum of 15 hp and 18 ft/lbs on the REVUP motor. I'm sure the quoted figures are power at the wheels and not at the crank, but for arguments sake let's say they are crank numbers. This would put the DE motor at 313 hp and 278 ft/lbs. Unless there is a variable I'm not accounting for, I don't see how the HR would still be faster. I'm just trying to understand this from a engineering/physics perspective. Can anyone explain?

the HR's powerband is larger; the midrange is beefier.

From a mathematical POV: recall what an integral is. It is the area under curve right? Take the integral of say... 4500 to 7600rpm (roughly a redline shift from 1st to redline in 2nd) of the HR vs 4200rpm to 7000rpm (again, roughly a redline shift from 1st to redline in 2nd). The integral for the HR is greater than the integral of the DE rev-up.

Now, gearing is mechanical torque multiplication. Given the greater powerband being compressed over a smaller MPH range, the HR outputs more power over a given range. An example would be the 1/4 mile. Over the duration of the 1/4 mile, the total amount of power put out by the HR is greater than the DE rev-up again because of gearing, and the hp/torque created by higher engine output.

If you like, I can create a graph that accounts for gearing and horsepower output, comparing the two.

PM me.

Thanks Mike, excellent explanation. That is exactly what I was looking for, and makes perfect sense. I wasn't giving the HR enough credit for its 600rpm higher redline. I was also wondering if the transmissions were geared differently. I looked for gear ratios but couldn't find any.

I don't know the gear ratios off hand, but the gears shift at roughly the same speed, so the gearing itself HAS to be more aggressive given the higher redline.

On a side note, top gear in the old g35 is about 3000 RPM. On the new one, its about 3200 RPM.

what is the purpose of these first gen to second gen comparison threads? here's what i liken them to: "everyone at work says that new girl is really hot, but i think my wife of 5 years is much hotter." maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong, but saying out loud makes you look stupid.

Because I have owned two first gen cars, an '04 5AT, and my current '05 6MT, and I drove a second gen for the first time the other day and wanted to share my thoughts.

What is the purpose of your post? Here's what I liken it to, "I have nothing constructive to add, but I'd better post something anyway. Oh, and it should probably have a negative tone as well." Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something...

The purpose of my post is to tell you that your opinion (as is mine)is like an a-hole...everyone has one, and no one cares. You're one of fifty first gen g owners to have started a thread just like this professing how much better their car is compared to the new one. I'm on my third g...but who cares. Exactly what kind of constructive reply were you looking for on your inane thread? Perhaps something like "You're absolutely right! The older g's are the awesomest cars ever!". Grow up and get your panties unbunched. The topic has been beat to death for both the sedan and the coupe.

first gen sucks compared to 2nd end of story