How does a 05-06 G35 compare to a 01-03 M3?
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yess siirrrr. treating me better than I ever imagined. most amazing piece of machinary I have or will ever own. had it for 3 days now (got it this past Sunday). Carbon Black on Cinnamon, in absolute imaculate shape. I can't even describe the condition of it. Interior and exterior really does show the 5,200 miles the previous owner drove a year.
Yup. Got her home and detailed the crap out of her. Here's a pic from tonight. She was already very very clean, but I had to have at it with my PC!
Yup. Got her home and detailed the crap out of her. Here's a pic from tonight. She was already very very clean, but I had to have at it with my PC!
#48
Heavily modded 450whp 350Z beats 911 GT3 at a Time Attack event therefore 350Z > 911 GT3 in all race events therefore 911 GT3 is a overpriced POS. I guess Porsche and associated race teams never got that memo while cleaning house during numerous endurance races like Le Mans or World Challenge GT events. The same memo was never sent to BMW either.
Porsche and BMW competitors would of been more than welcome to modify the cars they had to their hearts content and they probably did. It was probably too costly with little gains for some or too risky for some to compromise reliability and lose entirely.
I'm sure it will do just fine at 450-500 whp for many more miles than just 20k.
Last edited by Andrei; 12-16-2009 at 01:42 AM.
#49
You can think that and it's fine. I like to think of it as having enough common sense to pick the car with the most value and potential. The links I posted so far show which car that is.You're welcome.
#50
And the truth is that even a VR that's pushed for more than 600-650+ whp which a VQ37 can get to stock, needs some better internals. http://www.injectedblog.com/2009/04/...nd-cp-pistons/
Pictures courtesy of Injected Performance.
The similarities are just big coincidences. There is nothing going on here.
Last edited by Andrei; 12-16-2009 at 06:58 AM.
#52
I'm going to agree with the general opinion. The M3 is a drivers car, its more responsive, and you'll feel the road a lot more. Its going to do exactly what you want it to do when you want it, assuming you keep it well maintained. I went from a 1998 E36 M3 to my 2004 G35 Sedan, not by choice lol but it has been more relaxing on the wallet with just the first month of the G. If you want a good baseline track type car, get the M3 but be prepared for pricey BMW parts, and labor if your not good with a wrench. If you want that good ole *** reliability, get a G. Personally if my pockets were deep enough, I'd of gone with another E36 or searched for a good E46, but the market is rough and I can't afford to refresh a beat up one.
#54
^Exactly. The only simularities between these two motors are that they both are Nissan V6s and have 24 valves. That's about it. The VR uses a much stronger closed deck design where as the VQ is an open deck design. Also noted is how much beefier the block looks, in general. Just because a VQ37 can make 600whp with no internal work doesn't mean it's going to last. There are countless forced induced stock VQs that have died very early deaths. The cars make big numbers and then died within 3K-20K miles. Usually either a rod snaps goes through the block or the rings start to fail. Overheating is a common problem as well.
Last edited by DaveB; 12-16-2009 at 01:02 PM.
#55
IP:
"While building two Nissan engines for our customers we took advantage of the great opportunity to make side-by-side comparisons of these two modern day Nissan super-motors. The R35 Nissan GTR’s VR38 shares a lot in common with the Nissan 350Z/370Z’s VQ35 HR engine as seen below. The most notable difference is the closed deck on the GTR’s VR38."
To get a VQ to be equal in strength or stronger it has to look like this.
Last edited by Andrei; 12-16-2009 at 03:14 PM.
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Revup DEs are slighter better. Last I've seen was 400+whp stock on my350z.
VQ35HRs can get up to 500+whp stock. AuburnZ has been running a stock motor with a GTM twin turbo kit at that power level since they bought the car. http://www.mygfrenzy.com/forum/showp...58&postcount=9
VQ37s max is 600 like I posted.
The fact is that each motor got better leading up to the VR. But it's just a coincidence.
All numbers I listed will be lower with a single turbo.
And GTM didn't say "it will be just as strong or stronger than the VR." But SP and IP both agree a billet girdle is stronger than a cast one. I don't think SP would of been able to get to 1200+ whp with a stock girdle.
And this is definitely not running a stock girdle. It runs 6sec with a VQ still.
Last edited by Andrei; 12-17-2009 at 05:23 AM.