Switch to synthetic AND still change my oil every 3500 miles...Crazy?
#92
01-03-2006 | 09:49 AM
No Jeff its called correcting myself before the end of the message. I didn't contradict myself like you think. 
And you are wrong:
Straight from BITOG forums:
"He still says the oil filter is the prime part for oil life."
The oil filter makes the oil last longer only because it filters out particles that would slowly build up and turn the oil into an abrasive slurry. Filtering is a physical process ... not a chemical one.
"And now he is making up excuses saying: 'Would you run your engine without an oil filter for 10K miles?' "
Engines use to run without filters ... but that's beside the point. Filters filter out particles and do not alter or extend the oil's chemistry.
Some guys don't know when to quit arguing ... even when they are clearly shown to be wrong. File this episode away the next time this guy tries to give you some advice on any subject.
And you are wrong:
Straight from BITOG forums:
"He still says the oil filter is the prime part for oil life."
The oil filter makes the oil last longer only because it filters out particles that would slowly build up and turn the oil into an abrasive slurry. Filtering is a physical process ... not a chemical one.
"And now he is making up excuses saying: 'Would you run your engine without an oil filter for 10K miles?' "
Engines use to run without filters ... but that's beside the point. Filters filter out particles and do not alter or extend the oil's chemistry.
Some guys don't know when to quit arguing ... even when they are clearly shown to be wrong. File this episode away the next time this guy tries to give you some advice on any subject.
#94
01-03-2006 | 12:59 PM
Russ, exactly where have you proved your point?? Nowhere
I was actually trying to be an adult unlike yourself anyhoo
There is no one disputing this Russ.
That is fine. But if the filter is NOT an important part of the oil's life then why does YOUR OWN AMSOIL PRODUCTS REQUIRE YOU TO CHANGE THE FILTER??????
Let's see how really out of context your "proof" is:
When is the last time ANY modern engine has run for ANY signifcant length of time w/o an oil filter? Yes an engine will run w/o a filter. But it won't last very long will it??? Besides you just proved my point. I stated and I quote
Doesn't this CLEARLY state you just said above? ie.. what's more important to make the engine live, oil pressure vs oil filtration / is filtering a chemcial or mechanic process??
When long life synthetics are run, it's MANDATORY that you get your oil analyzed (to make sure it's running well enough not to chemcially contaminate the oil too soon. But since we are on a G35 forum with most of us with well running, low mile engines................).
Now with a good, clean running engine + plus the use of a synthetic that has an addtive package designed to run a long time, what's going to be the next most important factor??????????? That's right, keeping the harmfull large particles from the engine. And what is going to continue to do that?? Yes, the oil filter.
The only thing you have been clear about is how unclear your explainations are
Originally Posted by G35_TX
No Jeff its called correcting myself before the end of the message. I didn't contradict myself like you think.
And you are wrong:
Straight from BITOG forums:
"He still says the oil filter is the prime part for oil life."
The oil filter makes the oil last longer only because it filters out particles that would slowly build up and turn the oil into an abrasive slurry. Filtering is a physical process ... not a chemical one.
Straight from BITOG forums:
"He still says the oil filter is the prime part for oil life."
The oil filter makes the oil last longer only because it filters out particles that would slowly build up and turn the oil into an abrasive slurry. Filtering is a physical process ... not a chemical one.
"And now he is making up excuses saying: 'Would you run your engine without an oil filter for 10K miles?' "
Engines use to run without filters ... but that's beside the point. Filters filter out particles and do not alter or extend the oil's chemistry.
Engines use to run without filters ... but that's beside the point. Filters filter out particles and do not alter or extend the oil's chemistry.
Let's see how really out of context your "proof" is:
When is the last time ANY modern engine has run for ANY signifcant length of time w/o an oil filter? Yes an engine will run w/o a filter. But it won't last very long will it??? Besides you just proved my point. I stated and I quote
If you never changed the filter, it would clog up and go into bypass mode. In bypass, it sacrafices filtration in order to maintain oil pressure. ie.. lesser of the two evils. Point being, if you never changed the filter, the oil would be contaminated by particles larger than the oil can keep suspended and away from metal to metal contact long before the oil's additive package gets broken down by various engine functions. Especially in the context of our (damn glad I can say that now hehe) relatively low miler VQ35 engines. A newish engine runs very clean.
When long life synthetics are run, it's MANDATORY that you get your oil analyzed (to make sure it's running well enough not to chemcially contaminate the oil too soon. But since we are on a G35 forum with most of us with well running, low mile engines................).
Now with a good, clean running engine + plus the use of a synthetic that has an addtive package designed to run a long time, what's going to be the next most important factor??????????? That's right, keeping the harmfull large particles from the engine. And what is going to continue to do that?? Yes, the oil filter.
Some guys don't know when to quit arguing ... even when they are clearly shown to be wrong. File this episode away the next time this guy tries to give you some advice on any subject.
#95
01-03-2006 | 02:16 PM
Okay Jeff you win. You happy now? Glad to be of service. Now I will believe what Bobs site over anyone else on this thread.
I seem to be the only one being adult enough here unlike a few others. So instead of trying to insult me, go do some studying. I am done here.
Everyone else can take a piece of this info from whoever and decide on your own what you wish to do.
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Another useful piece of info to add:
Well, Bob (as in BITOG) ran 5000 miles without an oil flter and had a UOA done. The analysis looked the same as three or four other UOAs from the same engine with oil filters in place.
May tell you something about the relative importance of an oil filter in the overall scheme of things.
I seem to be the only one being adult enough here unlike a few others. So instead of trying to insult me, go do some studying. I am done here.
Everyone else can take a piece of this info from whoever and decide on your own what you wish to do.
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Another useful piece of info to add:
Well, Bob (as in BITOG) ran 5000 miles without an oil flter and had a UOA done. The analysis looked the same as three or four other UOAs from the same engine with oil filters in place.
May tell you something about the relative importance of an oil filter in the overall scheme of things.
Last edited by G35_TX; 01-03-2006 at 02:19 PM.
#96
01-03-2006 | 03:09 PM
But you do run an oil filter correct?? You are a dealer that advocates the changing of the oil filters correct??
Don't claim one thing and then do another Russ. If filters are THAT unimportant to you, put your $ where you mouth is and eliminate the filter on your G.
Don't claim one thing and then do another Russ. If filters are THAT unimportant to you, put your $ where you mouth is and eliminate the filter on your G.
Originally Posted by G35_TX
Okay Jeff you win. You happy now? Glad to be of service. Now I will believe what Bobs site over anyone else on this thread.
I seem to be the only one being adult enough here unlike a few others. So instead of trying to insult me, go do some studying. I am done here.
Everyone else can take a piece of this info from whoever and decide on your own what you wish to do.
----
Another useful piece of info to add:
Well, Bob (as in BITOG) ran 5000 miles without an oil flter and had a UOA done. The analysis looked the same as three or four other UOAs from the same engine with oil filters in place.
May tell you something about the relative importance of an oil filter in the overall scheme of things.
I seem to be the only one being adult enough here unlike a few others. So instead of trying to insult me, go do some studying. I am done here.
Everyone else can take a piece of this info from whoever and decide on your own what you wish to do.
----
Another useful piece of info to add:
Well, Bob (as in BITOG) ran 5000 miles without an oil flter and had a UOA done. The analysis looked the same as three or four other UOAs from the same engine with oil filters in place.
May tell you something about the relative importance of an oil filter in the overall scheme of things.
#103
01-05-2006 | 07:57 PM
Both of you have some very general statements. I'd agree that Amsoil is probably the "better" oil. Their 2000 series contains an additive package designed for extented change intervals. Russ, you should have at least quantifed your statement by specifing their 2000 series. Or else, the Mobil 1 gentleman might mention the 7500 series and ask you to back up your claim. 
But seriously folks
, since you guys change you oil WAY before it wears out anyway, BOTH are superior oils and will protect your engine just fine. Any differences inbetween the two are too miniscule to even debate.
But seriously folks
, since you guys change you oil WAY before it wears out anyway, BOTH are superior oils and will protect your engine just fine. Any differences inbetween the two are too miniscule to even debate.
Originally Posted by G35_TX
False. Amsoil.
#104
01-05-2006 | 08:11 PM
#105
01-06-2006 | 01:55 AM
Then you have a choice to make. Post a short, unbacked reply and don't get upset when people are critical or take the time to post a complete reply.
Originally Posted by G35_TX
I don't have time to write a book when I am at work or have links of data as well.
But we can say for a store bought oil. Mobil 1 would be the best. But the best oil out there is Amsoil.
But we can say for a store bought oil. Mobil 1 would be the best. But the best oil out there is Amsoil.
Last edited by Jeff92se; 01-06-2006 at 01:58 AM.