Wow, you found 10 tranny issues out of however many thousands of Grand prix's there are. Lets use my example. There are 60,000+ members at Clubgp.com (the better Grand Prix site) I would say that less than 2% of those people had transmission problems. While in My Opinion that number is still too high for a vehicle, it is not as high as many people think. And like I stated previously, 70K miles and boom on a mod'd GTP? That's rediculous, get your facts straight.

I am sure I can dig up some major complaints about G's from this site. Would you agree that those complaints mean there is a huge "____" issue. (Insert the problem as you wish)

2002 Infiniti I35
-sports package
-winter package
-sun package
-rim package
*H&R lowering springs

 

Just to back up a second. That's 10 users that reported a problem. That's not to say that only 10 users have had problems. Some people may have problems but don't take the time to report them. Club GP doesn't comprise all people in the world who own Grand Prix. All you are reading about is the most vocal of the group of a small minority of owners.

Now I am not saying the G is all that. The car is really fairly new to come up with any durability issues. I am sure as time goes on, the G will show it's faults also. Really any car out there on the market is going to have it's fair share of problems.

What offends me about your posts is your blatant denial of issue in regards to GTP Your accusational tone that I am somehow ignorant or don't have my facts straight before I spewed. It's not very friendly

Jim
'03 Sedan
Brilliant Silver/Graphite
6MT/ Premium package
Sport tuned suspension
Aerodynamic Body Kit
Navigation and Satellite Radio

 

I know one person who owns a Grand Prix, a guy (52 yrs old) who drives very leisurely. We went out to lunch one day and his tranny was slipping and thunking randomly during our 15 minute drive....57K miles on the odometer....

Dertainly did not inspire confidence in the GM brand.



<font color=red>chinee</font color=red>
2003.5 G35s

 

I apologize for coming off that way. It is clear that you have your head on straight and know how to dig up information. There is no denying that the tranny is considered a weakness. What annoys me is the statement, which i dont think was made by you, that by 70K it goes kaboom. Comments like that are rediculous.

And notice my statement, if two percent of GTP owners have major tranny problems there is a huge problem via GM. It wouldnt surprise me if their numbers were much higher than average.

And the G is a much more refined car than the GTP. There is no comparisons, in my opinion , of those two cars. I am not sitting here trying to compare those two cars.

Plain and simple. Some GTP's have tranny issues. Perhaps more on a percentage basis than other cars.

2002 Infiniti I35
-sports package
-winter package
-sun package
-rim package
*H&R lowering springs

 

Actually it was me that made that 70K statement. I admit it's an over generalization at best with no real hard data to back up my assertion. It's been my observation that high powered motors and FWD transmission don't mix well. The Taurus SHO has tons of durability problems with their Auto tranny. I have replaced mine and everyone else in my SHO club with and Auto has also. The Acura TLS my friend has is already slamming 1-2 shifts and acura has extended their warranties in that area.

Manufacturers are only going to produce components just good enough to work with the other components. It comes down to the almighty dollar. As long as the transmission lasts through the warranty period why allocate the additonal cost to put in a transmission strong enough to handle the power from the motor. People who modify their car run the risk of modding it past the cars design limits. Of course it's their car and if they want to break it they can.

Jim
'03 Sedan
Brilliant Silver/Graphite
6MT/ Premium package
Sport tuned suspension
Aerodynamic Body Kit
Navigation and Satellite Radio

 

Your G could beat this bucket of sh*t with 4 out of 6 cylinders running! lol

John
03.5 G35 14.8 @ 93
02 Maxima SE 14.5 @ 95 (Wife's)
87 Mustang GT 13.2 @ 107

 

I just think it's funny that when some people realize a domestic actually outperforms their import in some aspect, they immediately revert to the "well it's a heep of American junk and it's reliability sucks".

I openly admit I would NEVER own a GTP/Regal GS because I think they're a bit unreliable and I've never been a fan of GM's interior design and quality. That still doesn't stop me from respecting the performance of that powertrain though. The truth is a naturally aspirated VQ doesn't hold a candle to the potential straightline performance on the 3800 SC. I have respect for any car that performs good, regardless of who makes it. I do not have respect for people who don't accept the facts and act as if they know what they're talking about.


Dave

96 Maxima SE
14.45@99.51mph with a 2.316 60'

JDM intake manifold, JWT ECU, Y-pipe, UDP, hacked stock airbox, 2K Maxima muffler

 

Dave,

WTF are you talking about and who are you talking to?

I have a Domestic sports car and a domestic truck.

I have one friend who owns a GTP and another who owns a Regal GS...my 2000 Maxima SE (DOG) kept up with both of them...but my wife's 02 SE and my G35 embarrass both of them...

Have you even read up on the new 260 HP/280 Trq GTP??? It does 0-60 in a pretty sad 6.8, and it runs the 1/4 mi in the 15's...it's over weight at over 3500lbs and with its front wheel drive cannot hold a candle to a G35's handling.

I shot you a lighthearted compliment to invoke a smile and you got up on your emai//forum soap box b/c you assumed I was coming from the angle of nothing can beat our beloved importants with their V6 engines...the truth of the matter is I will be the first one to defend the fact that no matter what car I drive, unless it's a Mclaren F1, there is usually something out there that can beat you...

John
03.5 G35 14.8 @ 93
02 Maxima SE 14.5 @ 95 (Wife's)
87 Mustang GT 13.2 @ 107

 

Dave,

I am going to back up for a second...I just read this whole entire thread, and now I can see why my comment, after seeing where it was inserted, may have come off wrong.

BUT, and it's a big BUT, if you looked at who I was actually replying to, it was not you or any one defending the GTP, it was to the original poster asking if we could beat the GTPS. And again, it was a light hearted comment...your repsonse was still uncalled for with out first asking me if I was blindly defending imports.

After reading all the posts I would say the following:

I had a modded 94 SHO, hence my user name, and it blew apart like a grenade....I had a friend who threw a blower on his SHO, much like the other getleman in this thread (for all I know he's in the NESHOC too) and it would not out perform my Mustang by any stretch of the imagination b/c the SHO's chasis, tranny, and drive train could not handle all that power...My buddy who has the Regal GS, and my other buddy who has the GTP both are looking to unload their cars asap. The Regal is falling apart, and the GTP is just too slow fo the guy (STOCK). It's the 240 HP one...and it runs mid 15s in the 1/4.

Lastly, if the new GTP can rip off a 1.9-2.0 60' time...it would blow the doors off of an auto G35, like mine, for the first half of the race (a G36 MT and all 02-03 Maximas in auto or 6Mt version will be right there though with the Pontiac)...until we catch up...if we do, and again, that's only for us automatic G35s...the new 6 spd is almost running 0-60 in the 5s and it's hitting the 1/4 mi in a ridonkulously fast 14.3 @ 100...that will kill any STOCK GTP...after stock...it's open season.

John
03.5 G35 14.8 @ 93
02 Maxima SE 14.5 @ 95 (Wife's)
87 Mustang GT 13.2 @ 107

 

The GTP is a decent car. In stock form it is fairly fast. By just magazine racing the G35 is going to be a clear winner. It's faster to 60 and faster in the quater mile. Now you can modify the GTP to out perform a G35 in a straight line. And you can modify a G35 to out perform that modified GTP. The cycle can continue endlessly.

I am sure that there are a few smug list members that feel happy to know that their new G35 will beat a GTP. But really that's not what it is all about. The comparison is flawed as it is between old design GTP with a newly designed G35. These days car manufacturers are in a horsepower war. Thats why we are getting more and more exciting cars. You can bet that next year or the year after that someone will make a car that will absolutey trounce on the G35. That's just the way it goes.

If you back up to 1989 when the Taurus SHO debuted. It was so fast it was smokin every 4 door sedan out there including many 2 door sports cars. That raised the bar for other manufactuers to attain to. Now the SHO isn't very super high output compared to what is available today. I still own my 94 SHO and love it dearly inspite of it's obvious shortcomings. do I get mad to know that an altima could probably beat it? Well maybe some but I know that just way it goes.


Jim
'03 Sedan
Brilliant Silver/Graphite
6MT/ Premium package
Sport tuned suspension
Aerodynamic Body Kit
Navigation and Satellite Radio

 

Yeah why is the 3800 even compared - who cares about some FWD platform with underperforming hardware behind it. Why compare the two. No 3800 has ever been put in a decent sports car or real sports sedan. If it goes 0-60 in 3 seconds and does 13 second quarters I would pass on it still and so would most VQ owners.

If someone trounces the G it will be for more money and will definetly not be in FWD format....

 

I'll just say that completely stock GTP/Regal GS's have gone 14.2-14.3@96mph. If you don't believe me, go to www.clubgp.com and see for yourself. Mods are easy and these cars fly. In stock form, most are in the upper 14s and lower 15s, but with minimal work, they're in the 13s. That was my whole point to all this.


Dave

96 Maxima SE
14.45@99.51mph with a 2.316 60'

JDM intake manifold, JWT ECU, Y-pipe, UDP, hacked stock airbox, 2K Maxima muffler

 

My point is its a pontiac and it could fly and i'd punt

 

When said that way, I have no problem at all. My wife's Maxima is somewhat of a minority too...with 2.1 60' times, and in stock form it ran 14.6's all day long with the one 14.52...almost a 14.4...and it was almost 90 F out...The power and trq are certainly there for the GTPs...so I can believe it.

John
03.5 G35 14.8 @ 93
02 Maxima SE 14.5 @ 95 (Wife's)
87 Mustang GT 13.2 @ 107

 

My old car was a GTP and done the basic mods like pulley change. Fast car once your get the wheels to stop spinning. The G sedan should beat it. Just because of the better traction control.