Cause for the dreaded P0011/P0021 codes that everyone is curious about
#271
Recently my 2005 G35x (about 160,xxx miles) started making a loud clicking noise and was made worse when I accelerated. It also popped the P0011 code about the same time. I checked my oil and there was NOTHING! Since my car is older I am very good about basic maintenance and I am well within the mileage before needing another change. If the gaskets are the answer whats the general expense, DIY and shop?
EDIT: Don't appreciate the cute username that locks up the editor. Is this some kind of trolling attempt on your part or something?
Last edited by vqsmile; 08-25-2015 at 01:27 PM. Reason: User name causes glitch when quoted
#272
dude mine broke , where the three black washers go, is that even possible, i got the codes checked the vtc and noticed it was broken with my dad , were ****ed.
any advice?
any advice?
GOOD JOB! This was very helpful.
I had just a few comments to add to it:
I'm not sure that all cars will have their TPMS require reprogramming after pulling the battery; mine didn't when I replaced my battery and had it disconnected for a day or two.
The factory torque spec for the crank bolt shows as being just 33ft.lbs. in the book, which seems quite low actually, but they may have had loctite on it causing you all the difficulty in removal. Regardless, I think I would caution against using a chain wrench as you did around the crank pulley though, as it is definitely possible to damage the internal damper (rubber suspension) within the pulley by applying torque across is as you did. Instead, if I couldn't come up with a positive crank holding tool, I think I would have just pulled the radiator to gain access for an impact wrench, and/or the old starter-bump method.
Lastly, those three seal rings on the cam covers that you mentioned being unavailable before, are actually quite readily available; just not necessarily from Infiniti (at least for their HR motor). The Nissan 350Z from the '07 era had the exact same VQHR motor. Their service manual shows replacing them separately (ironically, so does the Infiniti service manual too, see EM-62), and upon further research, I found them to be readily available at most any Nissan dealership. They are the same part number as the ones shown for all the VQVHR (370Z and G37)motors too: Nissan # 13042-3HD0A. As you suspected previously, they are definitely NOT an O-ring. It is a rectangular cross-section, but is actually split on a 45* taper at one point so that you can open it up and slip it over the shaft and into the groove. It is also obvious that they are some sort of harder, reinforced, rubberized material that is not too flexible; definitely, not just some typical gooey/stretchy neoprene O-ring.
Here's a generic version showing the tapered opening:
And here's the actual Nissan part:
Just to confirm they exist, I went down to the local Nissan dealer and had them pull one from stock. They confirmed that they are indeed the correct seals listed for the '07 350Z with the HR motor. They look exactly like that pic above. When I asked my local Infiniti dealership, they said that since the part was not listed as an Infiniti part, they could not use it and therefore had to refer to the next higher part number which includes the seals: aka. the cam covers, at a list price of around $600 a piece. These go for around 5-7 bucks each, so instead of $30 - $40 for new seals you're looking at around $1200+ from Infiniti.
I had just a few comments to add to it:
I'm not sure that all cars will have their TPMS require reprogramming after pulling the battery; mine didn't when I replaced my battery and had it disconnected for a day or two.
The factory torque spec for the crank bolt shows as being just 33ft.lbs. in the book, which seems quite low actually, but they may have had loctite on it causing you all the difficulty in removal. Regardless, I think I would caution against using a chain wrench as you did around the crank pulley though, as it is definitely possible to damage the internal damper (rubber suspension) within the pulley by applying torque across is as you did. Instead, if I couldn't come up with a positive crank holding tool, I think I would have just pulled the radiator to gain access for an impact wrench, and/or the old starter-bump method.
Lastly, those three seal rings on the cam covers that you mentioned being unavailable before, are actually quite readily available; just not necessarily from Infiniti (at least for their HR motor). The Nissan 350Z from the '07 era had the exact same VQHR motor. Their service manual shows replacing them separately (ironically, so does the Infiniti service manual too, see EM-62), and upon further research, I found them to be readily available at most any Nissan dealership. They are the same part number as the ones shown for all the VQVHR (370Z and G37)motors too: Nissan # 13042-3HD0A. As you suspected previously, they are definitely NOT an O-ring. It is a rectangular cross-section, but is actually split on a 45* taper at one point so that you can open it up and slip it over the shaft and into the groove. It is also obvious that they are some sort of harder, reinforced, rubberized material that is not too flexible; definitely, not just some typical gooey/stretchy neoprene O-ring.
Here's a generic version showing the tapered opening:
And here's the actual Nissan part:
Just to confirm they exist, I went down to the local Nissan dealer and had them pull one from stock. They confirmed that they are indeed the correct seals listed for the '07 350Z with the HR motor. They look exactly like that pic above. When I asked my local Infiniti dealership, they said that since the part was not listed as an Infiniti part, they could not use it and therefore had to refer to the next higher part number which includes the seals: aka. the cam covers, at a list price of around $600 a piece. These go for around 5-7 bucks each, so instead of $30 - $40 for new seals you're looking at around $1200+ from Infiniti.
#274
broken vtc
the thread where the three seals go , i went in today and two were warped around the aluminum stud and the third one was gone , and a sharp sheer was notced , they were p0011, and p0021 uploading images rn ow
any way i can get that VTC cover?
http://imgur.com/u98nxDc,EmP5DgP,PG5ut8U#0
http://imgur.com/u98nxDc,EmP5DgP,PG5ut8U#1
http://imgur.com/u98nxDc,EmP5DgP,PG5ut8U#2
any way i can get that VTC cover?
http://imgur.com/u98nxDc,EmP5DgP,PG5ut8U#0
http://imgur.com/u98nxDc,EmP5DgP,PG5ut8U#1
http://imgur.com/u98nxDc,EmP5DgP,PG5ut8U#2
Last edited by mreg420; 08-28-2015 at 02:20 AM.
#275
the thread where the three seals go , i went in today and two were warped around the aluminum stud and the third one was gone , and a sharp sheer was notced , they were p0011, and p0021 uploading images rn ow
any way i can get that VTC cover?
http://imgur.com/u98nxDc,EmP5DgP,PG5ut8U#0
http://imgur.com/u98nxDc,EmP5DgP,PG5ut8U#1
http://imgur.com/u98nxDc,EmP5DgP,PG5ut8U#2
any way i can get that VTC cover?
http://imgur.com/u98nxDc,EmP5DgP,PG5ut8U#0
http://imgur.com/u98nxDc,EmP5DgP,PG5ut8U#1
http://imgur.com/u98nxDc,EmP5DgP,PG5ut8U#2
It's pretty hard to tell what's going on those (poor) pictures. Is there any damage to the metal on that shaft? Or is all that jagged stuff just the remains of two broken seals? Did you look inside the cam sprocket hub to see if the broken bits are left inside? Perhaps they were just broken during removal of the cover.
If that is from a VQ35HR motor, then yes, either the cover or just the seals can be replaced. If this is from a DE motor, I would expect that they could also be easily replaced, but I have no experience with that motor in particular, so I can say for sure.
Also, if you're dealing with am HR motor, you will undoubtedly want to address those rear timing cover gaskets too.
#276
For the 2003 350z owner...
I am experiencing this issue of low oil pressure. I have read a few threads about this happening in the 350z's as well. I am wondering if there is this part available for the 2003 350z's... I have only been able to find parts for this for the 2006 or newer models.
http://www.courtesyparts.com/13531-c...8-p-17116.html
This is one of the parts, but it is not available. Will the g35 part fit in the 350z? (assuming they have it!)
I commented in this thread and other in the 350z forums. This seems to have the largest following (and a lot of 350z threads point to this one!).
Thanks!
(Engine type is VQ35DE)
http://www.courtesyparts.com/13531-c...8-p-17116.html
This is one of the parts, but it is not available. Will the g35 part fit in the 350z? (assuming they have it!)
I commented in this thread and other in the 350z forums. This seems to have the largest following (and a lot of 350z threads point to this one!).
Thanks!
(Engine type is VQ35DE)
#278
I am experiencing this issue of low oil pressure. I have read a few threads about this happening in the 350z's as well. I am wondering if there is this part available for the 2003 350z's... I have only been able to find parts for this for the 2006 or newer models.
http://www.courtesyparts.com/13531-c...8-p-17116.html
This is one of the parts, but it is not available. Will the g35 part fit in the 350z? (assuming they have it!)
I commented in this thread and other in the 350z forums. This seems to have the largest following (and a lot of 350z threads point to this one!).
Thanks!
(Engine type is VQ35DE)
http://www.courtesyparts.com/13531-c...8-p-17116.html
This is one of the parts, but it is not available. Will the g35 part fit in the 350z? (assuming they have it!)
I commented in this thread and other in the 350z forums. This seems to have the largest following (and a lot of 350z threads point to this one!).
Thanks!
(Engine type is VQ35DE)
http://www.courtesyparts.com/350z-pa...5_716_726.html
Compare the top diagram (for a DE motor) to the two lower diagrams (for HR motors)
Besides, I don't even know that you can readily assume that if a DE had low oil pressure that the oil gallery gaskets are to blame (like you can on an HR motor).
To whom are you asking this question?
#279
Yea the parts are not available for the DE.
I am quite sure that this is the issue (getting the same codes and others with a DE motor have encountered this issue over on the 350z forums). I am thinking if I remove this and attempt to do it myself, I will end up making my own gaskets for it.
Thanks for the reply!
I am quite sure that this is the issue (getting the same codes and others with a DE motor have encountered this issue over on the 350z forums). I am thinking if I remove this and attempt to do it myself, I will end up making my own gaskets for it.
Thanks for the reply!
#280
Yea the parts are not available for the DE.
I am quite sure that this is the issue (getting the same codes and others with a DE motor have encountered this issue over on the 350z forums). I am thinking if I remove this and attempt to do it myself, I will end up making my own gaskets for it.
Thanks for the reply!
I am quite sure that this is the issue (getting the same codes and others with a DE motor have encountered this issue over on the 350z forums). I am thinking if I remove this and attempt to do it myself, I will end up making my own gaskets for it.
Thanks for the reply!
Also, you might want to reread post #11, where Infinitidude talks about the most likely causes for these codes in the 1st gen cars.
https://g35driver.com/forums/g35-sed...ml#post6859185
#281
#282
Did you ever come to a resolution? Have a gen 1 (2004) and I've been battling this issue. I've read and re-read this thread, and was disappointed to only see that the '06+ HR engine was affected by this specific issue.
Can anyone say for sure that a similar gasket exists in the VQ35DE (with or without replacing the entire rear timing cover)? The only diagrams of the engines I can find are poor, and I can't quite make out what part it would be. I'm planning on taking it to a shop, but I'd rather go in with an idea of what to tell them rather than just dropping it off with no clue and giving them the opportunity to artificially inflate the price of a repair that I don't need. I've read that it may be the rear main seal, the oil pump, etc. I've replaced the oil pressure sensor twice already, but I don't have the skill, time, or tools to tear the whole engine apart.
It's been driving me insane, does anyone have the faintest idea what the root of the issue is in the gen 1?
Can anyone say for sure that a similar gasket exists in the VQ35DE (with or without replacing the entire rear timing cover)? The only diagrams of the engines I can find are poor, and I can't quite make out what part it would be. I'm planning on taking it to a shop, but I'd rather go in with an idea of what to tell them rather than just dropping it off with no clue and giving them the opportunity to artificially inflate the price of a repair that I don't need. I've read that it may be the rear main seal, the oil pump, etc. I've replaced the oil pressure sensor twice already, but I don't have the skill, time, or tools to tear the whole engine apart.
It's been driving me insane, does anyone have the faintest idea what the root of the issue is in the gen 1?
#283
Did you ever come to a resolution? Have a gen 1 (2004) and I've been battling this issue. I've read and re-read this thread, and was disappointed to only see that the '06+ HR engine was affected by this specific issue.
Can anyone say for sure that a similar gasket exists in the VQ35DE (with or without replacing the entire rear timing cover)? The only diagrams of the engines I can find are poor, and I can't quite make out what part it would be. I'm planning on taking it to a shop, but I'd rather go in with an idea of what to tell them rather than just dropping it off with no clue and giving them the opportunity to artificially inflate the price of a repair that I don't need. I've read that it may be the rear main seal, the oil pump, etc. I've replaced the oil pressure sensor twice already, but I don't have the skill, time, or tools to tear the whole engine apart.
It's been driving me insane, does anyone have the faintest idea what the root of the issue is in the gen 1?
Can anyone say for sure that a similar gasket exists in the VQ35DE (with or without replacing the entire rear timing cover)? The only diagrams of the engines I can find are poor, and I can't quite make out what part it would be. I'm planning on taking it to a shop, but I'd rather go in with an idea of what to tell them rather than just dropping it off with no clue and giving them the opportunity to artificially inflate the price of a repair that I don't need. I've read that it may be the rear main seal, the oil pump, etc. I've replaced the oil pressure sensor twice already, but I don't have the skill, time, or tools to tear the whole engine apart.
It's been driving me insane, does anyone have the faintest idea what the root of the issue is in the gen 1?
#284
So, I am quite sure that is not the issue. I didn't have those codes in my car. I too replaced the pressure sensor and my oil pressure still is low at idle. I didn't believe it! It would basically say 0. I went and bought a mechanical gauge. My sensor in my car reads about 25psi lower than it should. I think it is my cars guage that is broken. II AM getting oil pressure as I have set up a mechanical gauge.
The funny part is I did originally have those two codes, P0011/P0021, plus a third that I can't remember which I think was mentioned earlier in this thread. I replaced both the camshaft and crankshaft sensors, and it actually made it worse: My car wouldn't start at all, and when it did it threw timing way off. I put the original two sensors back in (thankfully I kept them), cleared the codes, and it's been running fine since.
A few months back, there was some really bad flash flooding from some storms (Florida) and I got caught in one. Not enough to flood the car or the engine since my driveway is pretty high, but there was enough water (and my car was low enough) to hit a patch which shorted out the oil pressure sensor. Now, I've replaced it before when it went out, showing 120 all the time, but it was a bit different this time. It would randomly jump between 0, 60, and 120 while driving, but no adverse effects on the car. I promptly replaced it again and did a full oil change. There was no water in the oil, so I figured that was good. It started reading again, but it seems to show around 30-40psi at cold crank, 10-15 when driving, and then drops to 0 at idle after driving for 5 minutes or so.
There's been no knocking, stalling, or performance loss from what I can tell, so I'm inclined to think that, like you, the sensor may be bad yet again. But I still don't think that's the only issue. I can definitely smell oil after driving, and there's a thin coat on the bottom of the trans casing. The last few oil changes have gradually been losing around 1+ quart, which I read might be the norm, but after seeing the oil on the underside and the few drops in the driveway, I'm convinced there's definitely a leak somewhere, and the symptoms of the codes + sensors + leak had me convinced that something along these lines was the issue.
I've been checking the oil regularly every few days for the last few hundred miles since the last change, and it's still full--yes I know the dipstick sucks, but I completely clean it and check it like 6 times each time. I feel like I'm already driving on borrowed time, so I figure I'll drive it until the next oil change, replace the oil pressure sensor again, and hope that was the only major problem. Ever since I've had the car, going on three years now, the car would always idle at a low PSI, so it never bothered me too much. I think the minimum reading should be 14, but mine was always a shade under that, somewhere around 8-15 after being warm. I figured the hot weather down here and 5W-30 was the combo that made the oil a bit more thin.
I'm about 2300 miles away from my next oil change and the weather here is starting to cool off, but once I do the next oil change I'll report back my findings. I apologize for the life story, but maybe someone out there is having a really specific issue like I am, and can benefit from it.
#285
Interesting. Does your mechanical gauge setup replace the OEM at all times, or did you just set it up to test?
The funny part is I did originally have those two codes, P0011/P0021, plus a third that I can't remember which I think was mentioned earlier in this thread. I replaced both the camshaft and crankshaft sensors, and it actually made it worse: My car wouldn't start at all, and when it did it threw timing way off. I put the original two sensors back in (thankfully I kept them), cleared the codes, and it's been running fine since.
A few months back, there was some really bad flash flooding from some storms (Florida) and I got caught in one. Not enough to flood the car or the engine since my driveway is pretty high, but there was enough water (and my car was low enough) to hit a patch which shorted out the oil pressure sensor. Now, I've replaced it before when it went out, showing 120 all the time, but it was a bit different this time. It would randomly jump between 0, 60, and 120 while driving, but no adverse effects on the car. I promptly replaced it again and did a full oil change. There was no water in the oil, so I figured that was good. It started reading again, but it seems to show around 30-40psi at cold crank, 10-15 when driving, and then drops to 0 at idle after driving for 5 minutes or so.
There's been no knocking, stalling, or performance loss from what I can tell, so I'm inclined to think that, like you, the sensor may be bad yet again. But I still don't think that's the only issue. I can definitely smell oil after driving, and there's a thin coat on the bottom of the trans casing. The last few oil changes have gradually been losing around 1+ quart, which I read might be the norm, but after seeing the oil on the underside and the few drops in the driveway, I'm convinced there's definitely a leak somewhere, and the symptoms of the codes + sensors + leak had me convinced that something along these lines was the issue.
I've been checking the oil regularly every few days for the last few hundred miles since the last change, and it's still full--yes I know the dipstick sucks, but I completely clean it and check it like 6 times each time. I feel like I'm already driving on borrowed time, so I figure I'll drive it until the next oil change, replace the oil pressure sensor again, and hope that was the only major problem. Ever since I've had the car, going on three years now, the car would always idle at a low PSI, so it never bothered me too much. I think the minimum reading should be 14, but mine was always a shade under that, somewhere around 8-15 after being warm. I figured the hot weather down here and 5W-30 was the combo that made the oil a bit more thin.
I'm about 2300 miles away from my next oil change and the weather here is starting to cool off, but once I do the next oil change I'll report back my findings. I apologize for the life story, but maybe someone out there is having a really specific issue like I am, and can benefit from it.
The funny part is I did originally have those two codes, P0011/P0021, plus a third that I can't remember which I think was mentioned earlier in this thread. I replaced both the camshaft and crankshaft sensors, and it actually made it worse: My car wouldn't start at all, and when it did it threw timing way off. I put the original two sensors back in (thankfully I kept them), cleared the codes, and it's been running fine since.
A few months back, there was some really bad flash flooding from some storms (Florida) and I got caught in one. Not enough to flood the car or the engine since my driveway is pretty high, but there was enough water (and my car was low enough) to hit a patch which shorted out the oil pressure sensor. Now, I've replaced it before when it went out, showing 120 all the time, but it was a bit different this time. It would randomly jump between 0, 60, and 120 while driving, but no adverse effects on the car. I promptly replaced it again and did a full oil change. There was no water in the oil, so I figured that was good. It started reading again, but it seems to show around 30-40psi at cold crank, 10-15 when driving, and then drops to 0 at idle after driving for 5 minutes or so.
There's been no knocking, stalling, or performance loss from what I can tell, so I'm inclined to think that, like you, the sensor may be bad yet again. But I still don't think that's the only issue. I can definitely smell oil after driving, and there's a thin coat on the bottom of the trans casing. The last few oil changes have gradually been losing around 1+ quart, which I read might be the norm, but after seeing the oil on the underside and the few drops in the driveway, I'm convinced there's definitely a leak somewhere, and the symptoms of the codes + sensors + leak had me convinced that something along these lines was the issue.
I've been checking the oil regularly every few days for the last few hundred miles since the last change, and it's still full--yes I know the dipstick sucks, but I completely clean it and check it like 6 times each time. I feel like I'm already driving on borrowed time, so I figure I'll drive it until the next oil change, replace the oil pressure sensor again, and hope that was the only major problem. Ever since I've had the car, going on three years now, the car would always idle at a low PSI, so it never bothered me too much. I think the minimum reading should be 14, but mine was always a shade under that, somewhere around 8-15 after being warm. I figured the hot weather down here and 5W-30 was the combo that made the oil a bit more thin.
I'm about 2300 miles away from my next oil change and the weather here is starting to cool off, but once I do the next oil change I'll report back my findings. I apologize for the life story, but maybe someone out there is having a really specific issue like I am, and can benefit from it.
So, I am in a similar boat. Low oil pressure but it doesn't sound bad at all and nothing has been happening. What happened first was the pressure guage would show 120+ and be stuck there.I replaced the oil pressure sensor thing and then that's when the oil light came on. I replaced it again and it still happened. I suggest you go to harbor freight or any store and just buy a mechanical oil pressure sensor. U screw it into where you screw the oil pressure switch and then start the cad and it will tell u the correct reading. I got the gauge for like $15-$20. This has really have me a peace of mind about it.
Also! When you start the car, does the oil pressure needle have an IMMEDIATE response like ur rpms and stuff do? Or is there a tiny lag, like ..5 seconds? This is what leads me to believe that the actual gauge is broken. Some people have had this problem and had to flick the gauge to fix it... I read somewhere that if there is a small lag in the pressure sensor gauage, that could mean that's what causing it... But for now, when u change ur oil next just purchase a mechanical gauge and test it out. Only way to reallllly tell!