G37 review in Car and Driver Aug Issue
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06-24-2007, 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by muscarel
Just want to bring up a few things:
1. If you go to the Edmunds review and select "Specifications and Performance" it seems there is some test data there for the 6mt. The 1/4 mile is down to 13.8 although at 102 mph.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do.../pageId=125509
2. In that same section, it lists the slalom speed at 71.3!! To put that in perspective, the G35 Sedan did 67.1 mph, and the venerable 335 did it at 68.4, and the Porsche 911 Turbo at 70.5. I think the fastest I've seen is the Lotus Exige S at 74 mph (a whole other league). The point is this new G37 will be quite agile. When a recent test of the IS250 showed it doing it at 70.4, the following was quoted "The X Package improvements also translate to the track, as our slalom test confirms. Although it's down over 100 hp on the IS 350, the IS 250 is nearly 4 mph faster through the cones with a 70.4-mph result. This is blazing speed, and it puts the IS 250 ahead of the BMW 335i, not to mention about a half dozen very capable sports cars." The G37 trumps all of them.
3. In terms of acceleration, I must have been the only one that thought we'd only see marginal improvements over the 2007 sedan. 13.8 at 102 is not too shabby in my book. I loved my 04 6mt and according to edmunds it ran a 14.66 at 98 mph. I never felt the car was slow and this car is much quicker than the old G. And, yes, some people will run faster than 13.8 just like some people ran faster than 14.66 back in 04. One other point in comparing to the 335. Edmunds tested the car twice. The first time, it was like a rocket (13.3 at 106). The second time it ran the following:
0 - 30 (sec): 1.8
0 - 45 (sec): 3.3
0 - 60 (sec): 5.0
0 - 75 (sec): 7.6
1/4 Mile (sec @ mph): 13.6 @ 102.5
As a comparison, the G37 did the folllowing:
0 - 30 (sec): 2.0
0 - 45 (sec): 3.5
0 - 60 (sec): 5.4
0 - 75 (sec): 7.9
1/4 Mile (sec @ mph): 13.8 @ 102.0
If these 2 tests are what we can expect out of these cars, they are both comparable. If you are in a drag race, yes, you will lose to a 335 - but in reality who can really "feel" the difference of going zero to 102 mph in 13.6 seconds versus 13.8?
4. Some people are sounding dissapointed with the G37 test. I read the Edmunds test and saw a gushing review. The car is faster, much more agile, the shifter is finally fixed, road noise has gone away (the G's biggest problem), and the ever-elusive refinement is now under the G's belt. All I can think is that people wanted this car to run low-13's in the 1/4 mile and are basing everything on that. Besides straight line acceleration and potentially styling (as it is subjective), I can't see where the 335 excels over this G37. It is amusing how when the 1st gen G went against the 3-series, each of their strengths is opposite to what they are now. Back then, the G was faster in a straight line, but the 3-series had refinement, handling, and interior design. And because of that the 3-series was deemed better overall. Now, the opposite it true, yet someone has decided that running a few tenths faster in the 1/4 mile is the only measurement of how good a car is overall.
5. One more thing on the 1/4 miles. According to Edmunds the track elevation was 1,121 feet, 79 F, and 31% RH. The density altitude works out to something like 2,500 feet. The BMW was tested at the same elevation, but it was 71F and 14% RH. Density altitude works out to 1,950 or so. Plug those into a converter and the 13.8 G37 time is equal to the 13.6 335 time. Point being people are worried about a few tenths and the above shows that having a slightly more humid day can have as much an effect on test data.
1. If you go to the Edmunds review and select "Specifications and Performance" it seems there is some test data there for the 6mt. The 1/4 mile is down to 13.8 although at 102 mph.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do.../pageId=125509
2. In that same section, it lists the slalom speed at 71.3!! To put that in perspective, the G35 Sedan did 67.1 mph, and the venerable 335 did it at 68.4, and the Porsche 911 Turbo at 70.5. I think the fastest I've seen is the Lotus Exige S at 74 mph (a whole other league). The point is this new G37 will be quite agile. When a recent test of the IS250 showed it doing it at 70.4, the following was quoted "The X Package improvements also translate to the track, as our slalom test confirms. Although it's down over 100 hp on the IS 350, the IS 250 is nearly 4 mph faster through the cones with a 70.4-mph result. This is blazing speed, and it puts the IS 250 ahead of the BMW 335i, not to mention about a half dozen very capable sports cars." The G37 trumps all of them.
3. In terms of acceleration, I must have been the only one that thought we'd only see marginal improvements over the 2007 sedan. 13.8 at 102 is not too shabby in my book. I loved my 04 6mt and according to edmunds it ran a 14.66 at 98 mph. I never felt the car was slow and this car is much quicker than the old G. And, yes, some people will run faster than 13.8 just like some people ran faster than 14.66 back in 04. One other point in comparing to the 335. Edmunds tested the car twice. The first time, it was like a rocket (13.3 at 106). The second time it ran the following:
0 - 30 (sec): 1.8
0 - 45 (sec): 3.3
0 - 60 (sec): 5.0
0 - 75 (sec): 7.6
1/4 Mile (sec @ mph): 13.6 @ 102.5
As a comparison, the G37 did the folllowing:
0 - 30 (sec): 2.0
0 - 45 (sec): 3.5
0 - 60 (sec): 5.4
0 - 75 (sec): 7.9
1/4 Mile (sec @ mph): 13.8 @ 102.0
If these 2 tests are what we can expect out of these cars, they are both comparable. If you are in a drag race, yes, you will lose to a 335 - but in reality who can really "feel" the difference of going zero to 102 mph in 13.6 seconds versus 13.8?
4. Some people are sounding dissapointed with the G37 test. I read the Edmunds test and saw a gushing review. The car is faster, much more agile, the shifter is finally fixed, road noise has gone away (the G's biggest problem), and the ever-elusive refinement is now under the G's belt. All I can think is that people wanted this car to run low-13's in the 1/4 mile and are basing everything on that. Besides straight line acceleration and potentially styling (as it is subjective), I can't see where the 335 excels over this G37. It is amusing how when the 1st gen G went against the 3-series, each of their strengths is opposite to what they are now. Back then, the G was faster in a straight line, but the 3-series had refinement, handling, and interior design. And because of that the 3-series was deemed better overall. Now, the opposite it true, yet someone has decided that running a few tenths faster in the 1/4 mile is the only measurement of how good a car is overall.
5. One more thing on the 1/4 miles. According to Edmunds the track elevation was 1,121 feet, 79 F, and 31% RH. The density altitude works out to something like 2,500 feet. The BMW was tested at the same elevation, but it was 71F and 14% RH. Density altitude works out to 1,950 or so. Plug those into a converter and the 13.8 G37 time is equal to the 13.6 335 time. Point being people are worried about a few tenths and the above shows that having a slightly more humid day can have as much an effect on test data.
There are too many people attacking the G37 for not being .3 seconds faster or not getting to the 1/4 mile .4 seconds faster and then calling Infiniti a failure with this new generation. Even in the Edmunds video they say that the G37 is a STEP UP from the G35 and they applaud Infiniti. I hope you people know that a luxury sports coupe shouldn't be judged just by how fast it can go from 0-60mph or the 1/4 mile. I think too many people are being very nit picky with the G37. From what I can tell... Infiniti's goal with the G37 is targetted towards a more mature audience that value a lot of luxury but also appreciate the performance. I must say that Infiniti has done a wonderful job with the G37 (with the much needed refined interior) and new styling of the car. Thank you Infiniti for producing a luxurious, refined, and sporty new car.
When I look back at the pictures of the G35... it seems to be more and more of a Nissan car than Infiniti car compared to when I look at the pictures of the G37. Please don't flame me.. it's just my opinion!
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06-25-2007, 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by RPL
The new G37 is SLOW guys. Admit it.
0-60 mph in 5.3 seconds? Boohoo! I want it to be 5 seconds because everyone knows that the extra .3 seconds adds a lifetime! Really... can you tell whether a car does 5.0 seconds or 5.3 seconds??
People are their criticisms these days...
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06-25-2007, 12:39 AM
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06-25-2007, 12:48 AM
Originally Posted by Yimbie
5.3 seconds is slow?? What is fast to you?? *sighs*
0-60 mph in 5.3 seconds? Boohoo! I want it to be 5 seconds because everyone knows that the extra .3 seconds adds a lifetime! Really... can you tell whether a car does 5.0 seconds or 5.3 seconds??
0-60 mph in 5.3 seconds? Boohoo! I want it to be 5 seconds because everyone knows that the extra .3 seconds adds a lifetime! Really... can you tell whether a car does 5.0 seconds or 5.3 seconds??
I take my car to the drag strip ALOT, so for me, a fraction of a second matters.
Either way, its too early to tell how the G37 performs against the 335i.
And another thing: people shouldn't really pay attention to 0-60's as a matter of performance, because it is not a good indication of performance. Theres too many things to factor in 0-60. Let's focus in 1/4 miles ET & trap speeds for acceleration.
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06-25-2007, 12:50 AM
Well as much as it doesnt pertain to me, in the fact that i wont be tracking, I hope the "weak" performance was based on the conditions faced just to shut ppl up. But lets all focus on the main point. The g37 has taken the infamous g35 and has been refined to take all those problem areas once complained about and turned them around. I think if anything infinitis focus should be to take the same car to the next level rather than bluntly focus on competitors. It is obvious they have taken the g37 to the next level in performance tests compared to the g35. For all those who seem to love the g35 so much but complain about the g37s performance i really cant understand you. This cars performance outshines yours. So for you to attack the g37 makes no sense to me what so ever. But all of this is IMO.
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06-25-2007, 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by skaterbasist
I see your point, and its good. For any of you that don't track your car, why should 1/4 of a second, or even 1/2 of a second slower in the 1/4 mile matter?
I take my car to the drag strip ALOT, so for me, a fraction of a second matters.
Either way, its too early to tell how the G37 performs against the 335i.
And another thing: people shouldn't really pay attention to 0-60's as a matter of performance, because it is not a good indication of performance. Theres too many things to factor in 0-60. Let's focus in 1/4 miles ET & trap speeds for acceleration.
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I take my car to the drag strip ALOT, so for me, a fraction of a second matters.
Either way, its too early to tell how the G37 performs against the 335i.
And another thing: people shouldn't really pay attention to 0-60's as a matter of performance, because it is not a good indication of performance. Theres too many things to factor in 0-60. Let's focus in 1/4 miles ET & trap speeds for acceleration.
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I hope that the people just complaining about the times know that the G37 can be modified for better performance. Comparing it to the 335i coupe must also include price... $10,000 can do a lot for any car when it comes to enhancing speed if it's such a concern. Now when you make the G37 along with the modifications the same price as the 335i and it's still not equal or extremely close with the BMW... then you may complain. I just hope everyone remembers that there is the $10k price difference.
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06-25-2007, 01:08 AM
You can say that to just about any car. Just buy a G1 eclipse for 3k and throw 30k into it.
335I will win mod to mod due to FI, the Vishnu chip for $1k.........
335I will win mod to mod due to FI, the Vishnu chip for $1k.........
Originally Posted by Yimbie
I hope that the people just complaining about the times know that the G37 can be modified for better performance. Comparing it to the 335i coupe must also include price... $10,000 can do a lot for any car when it comes to enhancing speed if it's such a concern. Now when you make the G37 along with the modifications the same price as the 335i and it's still not equal or extremely close with the BMW... then you may complain. I just hope everyone remembers that there is the $10k price difference.
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Originally Posted by G37Knight
You can say that to just about any car. Just buy a G1 eclipse for 3k and throw 30k into it.
335I will win mod to mod due to FI, the Vishnu chip for $1k.........
335I will win mod to mod due to FI, the Vishnu chip for $1k.........
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06-25-2007, 03:23 AM
Originally Posted by Yimbie
5.3 seconds is slow?? What is fast to you?? *sighs*
0-60 mph in 5.3 seconds? Boohoo! I want it to be 5 seconds because everyone knows that the extra .3 seconds adds a lifetime! Really... can you tell whether a car does 5.0 seconds or 5.3 seconds??
People are their criticisms these days...
0-60 mph in 5.3 seconds? Boohoo! I want it to be 5 seconds because everyone knows that the extra .3 seconds adds a lifetime! Really... can you tell whether a car does 5.0 seconds or 5.3 seconds??
People are their criticisms these days...
But really, besides the price difference, I wouldn't see why people would choose the G37 over the 335i, or even the sedan for that matter. Fast to me, by the way, is mid to low 13s. The new '07 Z's fast.
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06-25-2007, 03:39 AM
turbo mods > NA mods
Originally Posted by Yimbie
I'm not talking about any car... I'm talking about the G37 compared to the 335i. Are you absolutely 100% positive that the 335i WILL win against the G37 in the case for modifications?? The G37 is still about 2 months from release and you're already comparing 335i modifications with unknown G37 modifications? I don't know much about modifications for cars but I certainly wouldn't be comparing a car that has been out since late 2006 against a car that is still 2 months from release when dealing with modifications.
#73
06-25-2007, 03:40 AM
imagine 350z with 3.7
Low 13s for sure all day.
Low 13s for sure all day.
Originally Posted by RPL
Yes, beyond the 60 mph you can feel and tell the difference. Dude, these days a 13.9@102 quarter mile is slow for a sports coupe. People and their ignorance these days But really, besides the price difference, I wouldn't see why people would choose the G37 over the 335i, or even the sedan for that matter.
Fast to me, by the way, is mid to low 13s. The new '07 Z's fast.
But really, besides the price difference, I wouldn't see why people would choose the G37 over the 335i, or even the sedan for that matter. Fast to me, by the way, is mid to low 13s. The new '07 Z's fast.
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06-25-2007, 06:30 AM
Originally Posted by RPL
Yes, beyond the 60 mph you can feel and tell the difference. Dude, these days a 13.9@102 quarter mile is slow for a sports coupe. People and their ignorance these days But really, besides the price difference, I wouldn't see why people would choose the G37 over the 335i, or even the sedan for that matter.
Fast to me, by the way, is mid to low 13s. The new '07 Z's fast.
But really, besides the price difference, I wouldn't see why people would choose the G37 over the 335i, or even the sedan for that matter. Fast to me, by the way, is mid to low 13s. The new '07 Z's fast.
And for those who track your car, you are buying the wrong car if you buy a 335 as well. 13.6, 13.5 - whatever for a track car is garbage. Some snot nosed kid in his slighly modified evo or sti will outrun you. Or how about a vette? You can get that too for low 40's and run a 12.5 out of the box.
Now, back to the 335 comparison as someone said they couldn't see getting a G37 over a 335. Can you explain what else the 335 gets you in addition to a couple of tenths in a straight line (remember, so far, handling goes to the G37). I'll even accept looks as some poeple just like the exterior 3-series better (I'm on the fence on this one). For your extra 10k, you get LESS of everything else. Noisy ride (thanks to run flats), poor reliability, boring interior with the worst NAV system to date, etc. The question is - outside of styling and name recognition (badge *****) - why would you want a 335 over a G37?