Precisely – that’s exactly why I said it (I figured you would catch the innuendo).

again, I guess you didnt understand my post (I didnt realize it was that complicated)... obviously Dave has tried the G tube however he has never tried the tbs...

 

He lists his slow ET in his sig…and continues to give racing advice… and is always changing his car… common logic tells me he’s interested in making the car perform – as non-competitive as it is.

 

wow.. this whole thing is messed up...

 

That 14.32 was just with a Z-tube which makes no power. I think a 14.32 in a basically stock 2003 5AT sedan speaks volumes for my drag racing abilities seeing that most G drivers don't break out of the 14s with all the NA bolt-ons on their 6MTs. I've owned and drag raced faster cars. Most drag racing techniques can be applied to both 15-seconds cars and 11-second cars, FWD and RWD.

Why don't go back to your subbed out thousand dollar tailight mod and stop stinking up my thread? K. Thanks. Bye.

 

^^^ you just corroborated what I’ve been saying for years – and you’re making my point for me… since 14.3x is a testament to your "drag racing abilities", certainly someone with far less ability (myself) with a car that is faster (mine) proves that the mods you dismiss in fact do work. You know as well as I do that this is precisely why we’ve always debated over the years… however, you’ve debated many, many other people in the past about the exact same issues.

As long as you keep replying, so will I.

 

You would have an argument....if all you claimed the TBS did was change the sound of the intake. No one was denying that point. I bought a Z-tube for the induction noise. Not for some increase in power. YOU however claimed the TBS made power, big difference

 

#3, and #4 in Dave's first post have nothing to so with sound... and his points arent regarding benefits from the Z-tube, its benefits from the G-tube.

Quite the contrary to "big difference"... its very much similar.

Edit:
Its common logic that the difference between the G tube and the Z tube is the baffling... and common sense tells us that’s for sound (quieter on the G tube)... but this isn’t what Dave's post is about... only a complete imbecile would come out here and say hey guess what, the G tube is quieter... that’s not what he is doing (as you imply)... he's stating that there are enhancements from the G-tube...

I don’t see Z owners running out to obtain a G-tube... and we all know they would if there was a reason to.

I would have left all this alone after my initial post… but I’ll continue to explain the common sense of my points if necessary.

 

Dave said he feels the diff w/ the G tube. That's it. He didn't dispute the facts given by Tony.

You on the other hand do say your TBS makes power and you do dispute Tony's findings.

To me, that's a big difference. And IMHO overrides your attempt at a slight logic variance on Dave's part. (ie... asking people to try it before commenting). That slight logic difference is that, slight. Hard to take that to heart with the other 800lb logic gorilla in the room.

I suspect the difference in your logic and Dave's (in regards to trying it), is Dave's cost of taking his advice is bascily nil. To take your advice would require purchasing one for $100.

 

For the 769th time, I've never said all power enhancing mods for this car are bogus. How many times must you bring this up? HFCs, TPs, ECU flashes, certain catbacks, cams, headers, plenum spacers, massaged lower plenums do work, higher stall torque converters, gears (if appropiately matched to the powerband). Are the claims sometimes overstated? Yep. Bogus mods would include CAIs, POP chargers, UDPs, and throttle body spacers.

I do find it interesting that your G with every bolt-on under the sun is only .3 quicker.

It's also interesting you're using one of my cannibalized mods on your own car and have dumped the very intake setup you swore made power with "tuning"

 

So what if he has his ET in is sig? If you think his ET is so slow, then what would make you think he's trying to be "competitive"? Since he's never called out anyone else and never flamed anyone for being slower.

I have suspension mods/brake mods in my sig. And I give suspension and brake advice. Does that mean I think I'm the next Lewis Hamilton?

Dave's only real hp mod is a Motordyne 5/16" spacer. I don't think he's trying to out ET anyone here.

 

#1) I never said you said "every mod"... (poor reading comprehension again)
#2) my car is much faster than .3 seconds than you... you would absolutely NOT run 14.3 on the track that I ran 14.002 on...and I would be well into the 13s on the track you ran 14.3 on (nice try though).
#3(by no means do I have "every bolt on under the sun"... and each that I have was after waaayyyy more research than you apparently take for your "lets try it" mods... even though you don’t try ones that you dismiss.
#4) that ONLY reason I am using the OEM box right now is because the Stillen cone filter is FILTHY from all the recent body work... in fact the car is still at the shop - I haven’t even driven the car with the OEM box on it... I needed to put things back together so they can move it around the shop so I decided to put the OEM box on so the Stillen doesn’t get worse (and the OEM is more sealed)... I told you a long time ago that I intend to do extensive testing on the OEM vs Stillen (primarily intake temps) and OEM old vs new velocity stack - which I suspect will amount to nothing, but unlike you I wont make that statement until I have tested it... and what are you talking about "I swore it made more power with tuning"?... what made more power?

 

OC, i have an extra JWT filter if ya need one. barely used and still clean.

 

[QUOTE=OCG35;4387151#3(by no means do I have "every bolt on under the sun"... and each that I have was after waaayyyy more research than you apparently take for your "lets try it" mods... even though you don’t try ones that you dismiss.[/QUOTE]

Your engine mods:


I'd say that covers most of them

 

I never disputed Tony's findings... how could I? I WAS THERE! I said I don’t necessarily believe that the hp fluctuation was ECU (it may have but, but may not) = because just as Dave did with his G-tube mod, I have stated many times that after I drove with the TBS on that’s when I had an entirely different opinion of the mod. I completely dismissed it after dyno, but have kept in on my car since driving with it.... I've said it many, many times that driving impression are what changed my mind. How are Dave' s driving impressions about a G-tube that can’t provide gains (even according to Tony) be valid, but my driving impressions of a tbs (that Dave says cant provide gains, even according to Tony) not be valid??? A little double standard there that anyone unbiased can see.

An offer to try the tbs spacer totally FREE has been made MANY, MANY times... it was open to absolutely anyone when the initial testing went on and lots of people tried it, then bought it... recently I offered for anyone local to use it for a week... I will only deal with local people because I don’t want to chase it down in some other state (and this one is not for sale).

So keep on pluggin away with your missed attempts...

 

of course not... his car isn’t able to compete with most of the real performance cars on this forum... but he has a bunch of information to share about how to race and how to make the car fast

Let me give you an example of the bogus info... I have said for a few years that the ECU cuts power when you brake trq... and that I achieve better ET by launching off idle... the car will slug forward but not have full throttle for a few split seconds if you apply brake and throttle at same time... low and behold after I requested that UpRev look into it, they determined the ECU DOES cut throttle (a fix is in the works)... yet Dave has always insisted that brake torque in the best method... even road course racer, John Coffey stated it is a know fact to most of the Z guys that do hard core racing - they all know the car cuts power when they apply brake and throttle even in an MT.

I could go on for days about this, but like I said many posts ago, I would have left this issue alone after my first post in this thread - because it was all that is needed to show the double standard (already addressed in post above)... but you two love to perpetuate and try to discredit... that wont happen because facts are facts