I am going against my better judgment by responding to this thread but I must take a stab at this issue.

I have been around along time. In fact, since Infiniti released the 2003 G35. Since then, I have been fortunate to communicate with some very gifted individuals. Many of which frequent this forum. Though there is no argument regarding the quality/performance of CrawfordZ products, there is clearly a quid pro quo relationship between CrawfordZ and a couple of its employees/customers. Though much of this controversy emanated from a single website, I see that this movement has migrated to other websites and has now become a lobby of sorts. Some may also call this a special interest group.

What greatly concerns me is that these individuals with CrawfordZ talking points in hand, are sent out to debunk and virtually slander/libel other competing interests in the pursuit to protect its market share. Sadly, this has escalated to specific individuals attempting to ruin the reputations of other businesses while destroying the “integrity” of specific individuals.

The crux of this matter is what point do we address this “movement” and direct our attention at its source. I am equally concerned that CrawfordZ would allow its subordinates the authority whether express or implied, to conduct themselves as aftermarket terrorists. Therefore, I have determined that anything said, whether positive or negative from these individuals, is a direct statement from CrawfordZ. As well, I do know that some of the vehicles exhibited on the CrawfordZ website are in fact owned by the very same individuals that propagate these smear campaigns.

The second piece of this matter is the absolute abuse that the owners of competing businesses must endure. For example, Mr. Colette of Motordyne Engineering. Here you have a businessperson who has developed a successful product that satisfies its customer’s expectations. However, those that are threatened immediately dispatch their agents. Frankly, I am amazed by the self-control exhibited by Colette and Motordyne Engineering. If I were the aggrieved party, I would send a registered letter to CrawfordZ, including this thread, requesting that they discontinue their slanderous/libelous activity. What we are dealing with is a smear campaign, plain and simple.

As we have seen within this thread, these individuals are instructed to respond and challenge competing products. Because they are given this express or implied authority, they are representing CrawfordZ. For this reason, CrawfordZ better do a hell of a job distancing itself from its spokespersons. All it takes to backfire on CrawfordZ for example, is for Colette to establish a material loss of business revenue or opportunity based on the slanderous and libelous activity of CrawfordZ. Sure as hell this thread creates a compelling argument that CrawfordZ is pulling the strings here.

 

Wow...
That was awesome. I think I feel smarter by actually reading that whole post.

Hey bro, I have courtcase coming up in a few weeks, do you do pro bono work? =)

 

This thread is amazing. A total lack of integrity shown by the Crawford camp IMO. A very bad taste in my mouth over these kind of marketing tactics and what people will do for a couple car parts. Shameful really.

 

I need to sit down one night and reread this entire thing, I think some people are reading a little deeper in to some posts then I am.

Also, could someone please inform me of just who the 'crawford clan' is? If you don't want to post it please PM me, I would like to know how other people are looking at this.

I believe....

Nevermind, its over....

 

Did you read this whole thread? This was not about the crawford products.
It was about facts. And Quess what You have a bad taste in your mouth.
Enjoy your mods without me knowing them. My quess is you feel challanged.
Its fine. I do not drive on your roads but my quess is your roads are the best. Maybe you should talk about what you do not like and talk about what you do like. Maybe you could be that one person that knows it all. And set use all free. This whole post is just a joke because nobody read the whole thing. Im the lone ranger here I can not belive how so many people just want to cause trouble. Trust me everbody here has Integrity. Its about the ride (G35) Tell me about your mods and help all of us. You could be A friend to us all. Belive it or not there are so people here that just want to learn.
Fighting is just a waste of time and effort. Peace Brother

 

Kevin Your one of the guys here that makes this a better place.
I will pm you about what IM working on right now with the People from "MSD"
I have an old friend there from the early days. Plus I will need alot of input from the good guys that want the best. Dennis

 

For the record, Neffster just recieved a set of Crawford headers from ME that he paid a fair market price for. Oh, he also bought my Crawford cats from me (for another G owner). Neffs position in this thread wasn't to get free parts, I can guarentee you that, and I can prove it with the $1XXX check I have sitting at home....

Thanks again Todd, you 'investment' in my car FI build is very much appreciated, now if I could just get rid of this Procharger.....

 

Thanks. I look forward to receiving the PM!

 

Do not make a board statement without getting your facts straight. This whole thread have been trying to get data from the vendor that sells their product. The thread did get a little heated with people's emotion masking some of the facts, but that is usually a bi-product of a debate. The fact of the matter is product A sells for a higher price than product B. The performances of the two product are pretty close( hence this arguement of air flow). However, this is the real world, and price is always a driving factor. IF product A does perform better than product B by 20% but cost twice the amount, then some people might think that extra 20% might be worth it while others dont.

So dont start creating new LABELS due to other's people bad arguements approach by subsituting name calling instead of data. There are reasons why we all choose the G35 over a 330i , TL , accord, etc.. and there are people that like the cawford plenum over the motordyne spacer or vice versa. I personally think that it is great that we are getting more options from the different vendors.

 

Your first paragraph is dead on. That is the way it should be. Consumers make decisions between competing products based on facts, needs, budget, etc. What I saw during the course of the thread was someone who latched on to a statement about "balancing air flow", making a huge deal of it at the expense of a new vendor (who later corrected the statement), called him out wanting all this data and that data and ready to post up his Crawford data on why it wouldn't work (never did by the way) and basically using this nit as a smokescreen to cast any kind of doubt they could with regard to the Motordyne spacer. This while independent dyno after dyno showing significant gains with the spacer regardless of balanced air flow. Come to find out this person is being bascially coached, encouraged, enticed, however you want to put it by Crawford. How is one supposed to interpret these actions? Clearly this is a conflict of interest and poor judgment for a G35Mod whose club is sponsored by Crawford. IMO it is deceptive at best and gives the appearance of impropriety whether or not any exists. Maybe just a guy overenthusiastic about a vendor who sponsors his club? Maybe a pattern of guerilla marketing? Maybe nothing but car forum chatter? We will all have different opinions on this.

This is how I saw this thread. You are welcome to disagree and flame away. I will respond via PM going forward so spare the others and abuse me via PM (unless you WANT to rip me publically).

The Motordyne and Crawford products stand on their own without all this BS. It really is as easy as you state: You have Product A and and Product B. Each has cost and benefits both tangible and intangible. Each individual will make their own purchasing decision based on a combination of these factors. Hopefully this site helps us make those decisions in an informed manner. That's why I hang out here. That and y'all do some neat stuff to your Gs.

 

Great recap, and this is exactly why I won't ever be buying any Crawford products, although it was already apparent to me when they started their spacer smear campaign a while back. I don't care if their stuff is solid gold, cheap and sleazy business practices will drop any vendor from my list in a heatbeat. In that department, I think Tony is so far above and beyond Crawford it's like comparing the NY Yankees to the Bad News Bears, not even the same league.

 

Not here to fight. Here to learn just like you. Doesn't mean I have to shelve my opinion or my ethics to be here.

I followed the whole thread from the beginning as i am quite interested in this modification. I don't think it shows integrity to belittle, question and cast doubt on a new product or its manufacturer when you are basically a mouthpiece for a competing product without disclosing the fact you are connected to the competing product (or its manufacturer). And from a respected mod at that. That is my concern.

PM me if you want to continue abuse. We need to get back to making wheel power! : )

 

And we are back to the opinions again.... There was not smear campaign going on... The core of these topic was looking for FLOW DATA, not in it full intend not to degrade other product. However with the heat of the debate, comments was fill with emotions. Your statement above basicly are doing what you are accusing others of doing!!! This is as counter-productive as many statements that was made previously. Both Doug and Tony have been great vendors with their products, so whatever statements that was made by a third-parties should not hinder their achievements.

 

Unless one of those vendors was DIRECTLY involved with said third party's slander... a quote from this thread:

Sometimes attitude/abuse of opposition CAN outweigh acheivements. Example: Microsoft

--Viral

 

So If I say George Bush personally ask to run the white house, you will believe me? interesting....