Roadside Smog Checks
#31
12-10-2012, 01:46 AM
#32
12-11-2012, 12:15 PM
Gary
#33
12-11-2012, 09:14 PM
The starting salary of a chp officer is $67k a year. That basically translates to around $32 an hr not including the taxpayers paying for their benefits or over time.
Since your paying that high of a rate, wouldn't you rather have mr CHP officer out preventing violent crime rather then sitting on the side of the road trying to smog people and hope to get the .01% of the population that actually runs catless or high flow cats?
#34
12-11-2012, 10:18 PM
What part is invalid? I'm saying its a waste of resources to do road side smogs.
The starting salary of a chp officer is $67k a year. That basically translates to around $32 an hr not including the taxpayers paying for their benefits or over time.
Since your paying that high of a rate, wouldn't you rather have mr CHP officer out preventing violent crime rather then sitting on the side of the road trying to smog people and hope to get the .01% of the population that actually runs catless or high flow cats?
The starting salary of a chp officer is $67k a year. That basically translates to around $32 an hr not including the taxpayers paying for their benefits or over time.
Since your paying that high of a rate, wouldn't you rather have mr CHP officer out preventing violent crime rather then sitting on the side of the road trying to smog people and hope to get the .01% of the population that actually runs catless or high flow cats?
#35
12-11-2012, 10:56 PM
I was referring to your post about no sniffer tests for 2000 and later cars effective in 2013. I was offered a job in federal law enforcement after I came home from Nam. They couldn't pay me enough to carry a weapon and enforce our laws, that was my answer to them....Gary
But for the no sniffer test on 2000+ models here's the link,
Its under article AB 2289
http://www.smogtips.com/new-smog-law-AB-2289.cfm
#36
12-12-2012, 10:25 AM
For CHP i know there good and bad apples. So i just leave it at that.
But for the no sniffer test on 2000+ models here's the link, Its under article AB 2289
http://www.smogtips.com/new-smog-law-AB-2289.cfm
But for the no sniffer test on 2000+ models here's the link, Its under article AB 2289
http://www.smogtips.com/new-smog-law-AB-2289.cfm
Gary
#37
12-12-2012, 01:26 PM
#39
12-21-2012, 10:44 AM
#40
12-30-2012, 10:17 PM
Fines for each OEM catalytic converter missing is up to $2500.
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermk...tallcatq&a.pdf
We have 2 cats...so we potentially can be fined up to $5000.
Note: Having aftermarket high-flow cats still counts as having missing OEM cats. The wording they use is "tampered" and since only OEM cats can be used as long as the car is under the emissions warranty, any non-OEM cat part can be considered as "tampered." There has to be documentation proving your stock cats failed before you can legally put on aftermarket cats (and this is assuming the car is out of warranty - both the factory warranty and emissions warranty).
Figured it'd be good info for guys not running OEM cats.
My car has all CARB approved parts except the plenum spacer (which is practically undetectable anyway). I'm not worried.
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermk...tallcatq&a.pdf
We have 2 cats...so we potentially can be fined up to $5000.
Note: Having aftermarket high-flow cats still counts as having missing OEM cats. The wording they use is "tampered" and since only OEM cats can be used as long as the car is under the emissions warranty, any non-OEM cat part can be considered as "tampered." There has to be documentation proving your stock cats failed before you can legally put on aftermarket cats (and this is assuming the car is out of warranty - both the factory warranty and emissions warranty).
Figured it'd be good info for guys not running OEM cats.
My car has all CARB approved parts except the plenum spacer (which is practically undetectable anyway). I'm not worried.
#41
12-31-2012, 05:57 PM
#42
01-03-2013, 01:49 AM
Registered User
lol all these talks of stickers. so how do i get those stickers again? im coming from texas and just moved to long beach, i'm going to transfer everything soon.
#44
01-03-2013, 03:12 AM
Not to be a total ********, but the smog regulations exist for a pretty legitimate reason. SoCal air quality was super terrible in the 1950's, which spawned all the legislation, and why cali led the world in regulations for low emission vehicles, which the rest of the world followed.
some data: http://www.aqmd.gov/smog/AQSCR96/aq96rpt.pdf
history: http://www.arb.ca.gov/html/brochure/history.htm
Health effects of air pollution:
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmsa0805646
"For the approximate period of 1980 through 2000, ... the average increase in life expectancy attributable to the reduced levels of air pollution was approximately 0.4 year"
"In metropolitan areas where reductions in PM2.5 were 13 to 14 μg per cubic meter, the contribution of improvements in air quality to increases in life expectancy may have been as much as 0.82 year"
http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/20073322
http://scientificintegrityinstitute....wski052108.pdf
I mean for basically negligible, near meaningless hp on the streets and mostly for some noise, you are spewing products of incomplete combustion to the detriment of the health of the larger community. In economics this is called a negative externality and you should be fined for it, especially since it doesn't really do anyone any good. This is kind of a tragedy of the commons situation, where each individual goes, it's only one car. In the grand scheme of things, it's barely going to contribute to smog at all. Then the more people that think that way, it ends up wrong.
I mean, even if you are libertarian and don't believe in the government, spewing out pollutants does infringe on the freedoms of your neighbors to breath clean air.
some data: http://www.aqmd.gov/smog/AQSCR96/aq96rpt.pdf
history: http://www.arb.ca.gov/html/brochure/history.htm
Health effects of air pollution:
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmsa0805646
"For the approximate period of 1980 through 2000, ... the average increase in life expectancy attributable to the reduced levels of air pollution was approximately 0.4 year"
"In metropolitan areas where reductions in PM2.5 were 13 to 14 μg per cubic meter, the contribution of improvements in air quality to increases in life expectancy may have been as much as 0.82 year"
http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/20073322
http://scientificintegrityinstitute....wski052108.pdf
I mean for basically negligible, near meaningless hp on the streets and mostly for some noise, you are spewing products of incomplete combustion to the detriment of the health of the larger community. In economics this is called a negative externality and you should be fined for it, especially since it doesn't really do anyone any good. This is kind of a tragedy of the commons situation, where each individual goes, it's only one car. In the grand scheme of things, it's barely going to contribute to smog at all. Then the more people that think that way, it ends up wrong.
I mean, even if you are libertarian and don't believe in the government, spewing out pollutants does infringe on the freedoms of your neighbors to breath clean air.
Last edited by totopo; 01-03-2013 at 03:21 AM.
#45
01-03-2013, 03:27 AM
Registered User
Not to be a total ********, but the smog regulations exist for a pretty legitimate reason. SoCal air quality was super terrible in the 1950's, which spawned all the legislation, and why cali led the world in regulations for low emission vehicles, which the rest of the world followed.
some data: http://www.aqmd.gov/smog/AQSCR96/aq96rpt.pdf
history: http://www.arb.ca.gov/html/brochure/history.htm
Health effects of air pollution:
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmsa0805646
"For the approximate period of 1980 through 2000, ... the average increase in life expectancy attributable to the reduced levels of air pollution was approximately 0.4 year"
"In metropolitan areas where reductions in PM2.5 were 13 to 14 μg per cubic meter, the contribution of improvements in air quality to increases in life expectancy may have been as much as 0.82 year"
http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/20073322
http://scientificintegrityinstitute....wski052108.pdf
I mean for basically negligible, near meaningless hp on the streets and mostly for some noise, you are spewing products of incomplete combustion to the detriment of the health of the larger community. In economics this is called a negative externality and you should be fined for it, especially since it doesn't really do anyone any good. This is kind of a tragedy of the commons situation, where each individual goes, it's only one car. In the grand scheme of things, it's barely going to contribute to smog at all. Then the more people that think that way, it ends up wrong.
I mean, even if you are libertarian and don't believe in the government, spewing out pollutants does infringe on the freedoms of your neighbors to breath clean air.
some data: http://www.aqmd.gov/smog/AQSCR96/aq96rpt.pdf
history: http://www.arb.ca.gov/html/brochure/history.htm
Health effects of air pollution:
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmsa0805646
"For the approximate period of 1980 through 2000, ... the average increase in life expectancy attributable to the reduced levels of air pollution was approximately 0.4 year"
"In metropolitan areas where reductions in PM2.5 were 13 to 14 μg per cubic meter, the contribution of improvements in air quality to increases in life expectancy may have been as much as 0.82 year"
http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/20073322
http://scientificintegrityinstitute....wski052108.pdf
I mean for basically negligible, near meaningless hp on the streets and mostly for some noise, you are spewing products of incomplete combustion to the detriment of the health of the larger community. In economics this is called a negative externality and you should be fined for it, especially since it doesn't really do anyone any good. This is kind of a tragedy of the commons situation, where each individual goes, it's only one car. In the grand scheme of things, it's barely going to contribute to smog at all. Then the more people that think that way, it ends up wrong.
I mean, even if you are libertarian and don't believe in the government, spewing out pollutants does infringe on the freedoms of your neighbors to breath clean air.