Phantom Air Cup Kit Suspension Now Offered at Statik Performance!!
#16
It really depends on how the system is installed. How we did it on my G was remove the preload from the spring so when there is no air in it. It is on the ground however full travel is still used. We just had to compensate for the 1.5 the cup takes at the top of the coil by dropping the spring from the top instead of the height adjustment from the bottom. When fully aired up it does ride stiffer by it pretty much changes the spring rate by about 2kg (Example is 10/8 Spring setup will turn into a 12/10 Spring setup when fully aired. So this is still within the safe area of the tophat.)
Suspension geometry will multiply that height since the spring is mounted on a pivot.
SPL has an excel sheet calculator for the OEM rear.
http://cdn.splparts.com/tech/SpringCalculator.xls
Can you show pics of your oem rear solution? That is what I am using as well and thought I was the only one.
I wish you had offered this kit when I was looking. I had to deal with Umbrella first on mygtr which was not pleasant at all and was looking for a cup vendor for a long time....finally a new one popped up that was willing to work with me.
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ill Sedan
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Cannot quite follow all of what you are saying. Most coilovers that are available today have separate adjustment points for the ride height and spring preload. All i know is ith my setup, it gets stiff as hell on air. Working on a custom microcontroller to program the system to only run the required amount of air to raise the car vs raise and compress the spring at the end of shock travel which should help reduce the ride harshness.
Can you provide better pics to show this? In the stock image above you can see that the top hat metal is not contacting the cup. A lot of the coilovers today have a ring that is installed on the shaft and then a washer that has a relief for that ring sites on the ring and then you bolt the top hat on to the shaft. The rubber bushing is captured by the washer and a washer that is on top of the rubber bushing. If you put the cup between the ring and the top hat you will not have enough threads on the shaft most likely to get the nut on or if you have an adjuster **** there will not be enough room. If you put the cup under the ring/washer then the top hat installs like normal but now you need a spacer between the cup and top hat so that the cup is not touching the ring/washer combo.
Careful with overstating the lifting ability/actual. The cups can only lift the amount of spring that is compressed from the weight of the car.
Suspension geometry will multiply that height since the spring is mounted on a pivot.
SPL has an excel sheet calculator for the OEM rear.
http://cdn.splparts.com/tech/SpringCalculator.xls
Can you show pics of your oem rear solution? That is what I am using as well and thought I was the only one.
I wish you had offered this kit when I was looking. I had to deal with Umbrella first on mygtr which was not pleasant at all and was looking for a cup vendor for a long time....finally a new one popped up that was willing to work with me.
Can you provide better pics to show this? In the stock image above you can see that the top hat metal is not contacting the cup. A lot of the coilovers today have a ring that is installed on the shaft and then a washer that has a relief for that ring sites on the ring and then you bolt the top hat on to the shaft. The rubber bushing is captured by the washer and a washer that is on top of the rubber bushing. If you put the cup between the ring and the top hat you will not have enough threads on the shaft most likely to get the nut on or if you have an adjuster **** there will not be enough room. If you put the cup under the ring/washer then the top hat installs like normal but now you need a spacer between the cup and top hat so that the cup is not touching the ring/washer combo.
Careful with overstating the lifting ability/actual. The cups can only lift the amount of spring that is compressed from the weight of the car.
Suspension geometry will multiply that height since the spring is mounted on a pivot.
SPL has an excel sheet calculator for the OEM rear.
http://cdn.splparts.com/tech/SpringCalculator.xls
Can you show pics of your oem rear solution? That is what I am using as well and thought I was the only one.
I wish you had offered this kit when I was looking. I had to deal with Umbrella first on mygtr which was not pleasant at all and was looking for a cup vendor for a long time....finally a new one popped up that was willing to work with me.
#19
ill Sedan
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#20
I am just trying to make sure everyone knows the challenges of these cup kits. they are not just simple bolt on and ride out. Lots of things to consider.
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Interest
1. JaygotBoost
2. Rhampsterwha2 (Stance GR+ Supersport "true", 07 g35 coupe)
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4.
5.
Before I decide to do a full kit id like to see pics of how you modified you G to make the rear work so I can see if I feel like doing that, (pics of coil with cup and pic of the rear modified mount)
1. JaygotBoost
2. Rhampsterwha2 (Stance GR+ Supersport "true", 07 g35 coupe)
3.
4.
5.
Before I decide to do a full kit id like to see pics of how you modified you G to make the rear work so I can see if I feel like doing that, (pics of coil with cup and pic of the rear modified mount)
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#26
Cannot quite follow all of what you are saying. Most coilovers that are available today have separate adjustment points for the ride height and spring preload. All i know is ith my setup, it gets stiff as hell on air. Working on a custom microcontroller to program the system to only run the required amount of air to raise the car vs raise and compress the spring at the end of shock travel which should help reduce the ride harshness.
Can you provide better pics to show this? In the stock image above you can see that the top hat metal is not contacting the cup. A lot of the coilovers today have a ring that is installed on the shaft and then a washer that has a relief for that ring sites on the ring and then you bolt the top hat on to the shaft. The rubber bushing is captured by the washer and a washer that is on top of the rubber bushing. If you put the cup between the ring and the top hat you will not have enough threads on the shaft most likely to get the nut on or if you have an adjuster **** there will not be enough room. If you put the cup under the ring/washer then the top hat installs like normal but now you need a spacer between the cup and top hat so that the cup is not touching the ring/washer combo.
Careful with overstating the lifting ability/actual. The cups can only lift the amount of spring that is compressed from the weight of the car.
Suspension geometry will multiply that height since the spring is mounted on a pivot.
SPL has an excel sheet calculator for the OEM rear.
http://cdn.splparts.com/tech/SpringCalculator.xls
Can you show pics of your oem rear solution? That is what I am using as well and thought I was the only one.
I wish you had offered this kit when I was looking. I had to deal with Umbrella first on mygtr which was not pleasant at all and was looking for a cup vendor for a long time....finally a new one popped up that was willing to work with me.
Can you provide better pics to show this? In the stock image above you can see that the top hat metal is not contacting the cup. A lot of the coilovers today have a ring that is installed on the shaft and then a washer that has a relief for that ring sites on the ring and then you bolt the top hat on to the shaft. The rubber bushing is captured by the washer and a washer that is on top of the rubber bushing. If you put the cup between the ring and the top hat you will not have enough threads on the shaft most likely to get the nut on or if you have an adjuster **** there will not be enough room. If you put the cup under the ring/washer then the top hat installs like normal but now you need a spacer between the cup and top hat so that the cup is not touching the ring/washer combo.
Careful with overstating the lifting ability/actual. The cups can only lift the amount of spring that is compressed from the weight of the car.
Suspension geometry will multiply that height since the spring is mounted on a pivot.
SPL has an excel sheet calculator for the OEM rear.
http://cdn.splparts.com/tech/SpringCalculator.xls
Can you show pics of your oem rear solution? That is what I am using as well and thought I was the only one.
I wish you had offered this kit when I was looking. I had to deal with Umbrella first on mygtr which was not pleasant at all and was looking for a cup vendor for a long time....finally a new one popped up that was willing to work with me.
I could possibly be overstating but from what it looks like 4-5 inches looks about right. But again i didn't have a ruler so it's best guess.
The way mine mount would be the same way it would a normal setup would be. Since Platinum did the install for me. I am not 100% sure but I can take some pictures for you.
Yup and I think i've seen you over on my350z with the Exotic Air Cup Kit.
The same way you mount the oem spring. In the area where the spring retainer is located on the top. I'll get you pictures so it will go into better detail.
Yes they will.
Interest
1. JaygotBoost
2. Rhampsterwha2 (Stance GR+ Supersport "true", 07 g35 coupe)
3.
4.
5.
Before I decide to do a full kit id like to see pics of how you modified you G to make the rear work so I can see if I feel like doing that, (pics of coil with cup and pic of the rear modified mount)
1. JaygotBoost
2. Rhampsterwha2 (Stance GR+ Supersport "true", 07 g35 coupe)
3.
4.
5.
Before I decide to do a full kit id like to see pics of how you modified you G to make the rear work so I can see if I feel like doing that, (pics of coil with cup and pic of the rear modified mount)
Last edited by mrwong@statik; 01-27-2013 at 08:40 PM.
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Jaygotboost (01-27-2013)
#30
In the works but may not be released until later this year.
Nope this is the OEM style.
The True Type I have not gotten a video of yet. I will try to get you photos and videos Hampster
The True Type I have not gotten a video of yet. I will try to get you photos and videos Hampster